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Old 02-26-2007, 11:54 AM   #21
 
Trust me on this.

If you purchased the "kit" from Wal-Mart, then you should just throw the filter away. I learned this. The filters that come in the "kits" are for freshwater and won't do anything in your saltwater aquarium. You'll need to get a skimmer and don't get the SeaClone. That's what I purchased and it sucks! Also, like musho said, the live rock isn't for the seahorses to enjoy, it's for the water filtration. It does the bio filtration. Very necessary. Oh, and I have a lionfish with 2 true percula clowns and I now know that when he gets big enough he will eat the clowns. We plan on separating them into an aggresive tank and a community tank before that happens.
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Old 02-26-2007, 01:25 PM   #22
 
thanks corse for the filter info.

and melissa, i thought you were talking fry, sorry for the missunderstanding.

why are you guys acting like i'm gonna do anything no matter what?

the main advice i need is the answers to questions i've had. musho just pointed out some things. sorry musho,, i know you can't read my mind.

also rue, i know i'll need great water quality. i'll be getting a protien skimmer definatly, and thanks for your input about the seaclones. i'll make sure not to get one of those.

i'll have 30 lbs of live rock and 30 lbs of live sand plus a refugium with live sand and chaeto. i'll also be buying phytoplankton and maby a couple types of zoo plankton. i'll get more live rock as i go on, but i know that i need good biological filtration and i have that under control. i'll be getting more, but when i'm first putting stuff together and getting the tank to mature with somethign like saltwater mollies or something, i don't need it at the beginning.

here is a more clear plan

ok, i'll be getting the 55 gallon tank
fill it with water obviously
get rid of chlorine
add salt
use hydrometer to get the salinity about 1.024
use the heater and check the temp to get it at a good temperature for the seahorse when they come into the plan
add sand as substrate
add live rock
add the refugium with live sand and chaeto
check and record specific gravity, ph, nitrite, nitrate, etc.
after about a week of good water quality, add saltwater mollies (yes there are saltwater mollies fyi)

then with the mollies producing ammonia, and with the amount of bacteria in the aquarium, the nitrification proccess will begin. after a while the bacteria will grow and duplicate with all the amonia and nitrite to work with and there will be plenty of biological filtration until i get more rock.

so please, stop acting like i'm not taking advice or answers to my questions. and please stop being rude.
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Old 02-26-2007, 08:26 PM   #23
 
This is a more clear plan. Please read carefully. If you have something to say that may be rude or rude in someone elses point of view, please check your eveidence giving you the reaosn to be rude and check it carefully.

Please, if you have something to say, or a question, instead of going to assumptions, please tell or ask and talk it over. =)

i'm thinking my best bet would be with the seahorses. i've already done tons of studying about them already, i'm a member at seahorse.org, and i've read nearly all of there articles. plus everything i could find on google.

i'm going to get the erectus species, that was the most recommended by other seahorse breeders.

i have some seahorse questions though. i'll probably have a thread at seahorse.org if your a member there also.

one question is, if i buy a male and female erectus, will they most likely pair up and have some babies and stuff, or will the female possibly reject the male? i'd prefer not to buy 2 males and a female, but if i need to, i want to know.

i'll be buying the 55g deluze from walmart. i hate walmart, mainly because the way they treat there fish. but they do have the best deal i've found.

the 55g comes with a filter, heater, light, hood, water treatment, thermometer, and i think thats it, but it's good. it will be $150, but with the taz i've found it will be about $160 or so. i currently have $100, but i should be getting more soon.

i have 30 lbs of live rock for the 55g. wich costed $105. so i've got some of the expense already purchased. here is my new seahorse to buy list.

2 erectus seahorses
medications (don't remember medication list i had, i lost it.)
salt (duh)
hydrometer
saltwater master water test kit
plants (suggestions?)
corals (suggestions?)
tube worms
scallops
clam+ mussels
snails
hermits
live rock (30lbs already bought)
live sand (30lbs already bought) ( for refugium)
refugium
chaeto (for refugium)
85-100 small white shrimp (to help start a colony)
phytoplankton
brine shrimp (already have TONS in like 5 different containers, lots and lots of young healthy brine shrimp. they will be enriched with phytoplankton)
copepods or rotifers?
emergency disease guide (already printed up) (for emergencies)
fry tank (just until they are a few inches, big enough to go into the 55g and not get lost, lol) (what size should this be? 20-25 or 35-40?)


theres probably more that i'm not thinking of, i lost my original list. need suggestions and if anyone knows the answers to any of my questions, please answer.



ok, i'll be getting the 55 gallon tank
fill it with water obviously
get rid of chlorine
add salt
use hydrometer to get the salinity about 1.024
use the heater and check the temp to get it at a good temperature for the seahorse when they come into the plan
add sand as substrate
add live rock
add the refugium with live sand and chaeto
check and record specific gravity, ph, nitrite, nitrate, etc.
after about a week of good water quality, add saltwater mollies (yes there are saltwater mollies fyi)

then with the mollies producing ammonia, and with the amount of bacteria in the aquarium, the nitrification proccess will begin. after a while the bacteria will grow and duplicate with all the amonia and nitrite to work with and there will be plenty of biological filtration until i get more rock.


My live rock has some small plants, little red things, and algae and sponges. it also has small anemone's but i doubt they are alive after shipping conditions. if they are, i'm probably gonna sell them, because i probably can't keep them alive without a powerhead and i don't want my seahorses to get harmed by them.
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Old 02-26-2007, 08:30 PM   #24
 
the small anemones seem to be rock anemones (aipistasia anemone or whatever there called) you wont want the to survive and i dont think anyone would buy them, try to get rid of them completely before you add more fish as they are real pests and pack a powerful sting. Is there going to be any live rock in the refugium?

I know you will hate me for this but you do need a skimmer (did you say that you were on other posts, if you did im sorry for telling you again)


Also, i didnt see one there but what will your main filter be?
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Old 02-27-2007, 05:20 AM   #25
 
you are gonna have to put a better filter on your list. the filters that come with the set ups from walmart are only good for freshwater, they are not rated for saltwater. Oh and do you know what kind of lighting you are going to use? You are going to need something better that the bulbs that come in the set up too.
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Old 02-27-2007, 04:13 PM   #26
 
you shouldnt get a kit, start from scratch, buy a tank with no hood and no lights, then buy a separate lighting system to match what corals you want, then buy a skimmer and since you arent getting 55 pounds of live rock to start off with you will need to get another filter, try to find one made for saltwater, canisters are good, just make sure you try to not get too porous material (although still get at least some) if you are going to have corals as they produce nitrates. Then go get a skimmer, get the most expensive one that will fit your tank. Good companies (from what ive heard) are AquaC and some other ones (other topics have information about good skimmer companies), get a counter current ventri style ones, these are the most effective. Buy some powerheads as well to help oxygenate the tank as well as provide lots of current. Make sure the tank is at least 20 inches deep (from what ive heard) as that is best for sea-horses. You will need more than 30 pounds of live sand, maybe buy 20 pounds of aragonite sand (live wont be needed anymore as 30 pounds will seed the other sand, the same can be said for live rock but it is much harder and wont be anywhere near as effective as real live rock). Also buy a good quality heater, top-fin and all-glass are bad companies, stay away from these even if there prices are low)

Starting from scratch saves you a lot of money as if you buy a kit, the equipment isnt good and you will throw away most of it meaning you waste money.
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Old 02-27-2007, 08:29 PM   #27
 
yeah, dumb me. i forgot to add the skimmer to the list. i will edit it in a sec.

i was going to start from scratch, but i have only found the tank with a hood and light, not a kit, but i can't find just the plain tank.

also, the tank with the hood and light cost almost as much as the kit. although the lights and hood may be much better. i'll have to see what i can find.

i was planning on breeding mollies sometime in the summer/spring too. but that wouldn't take much money or time away from working with the seahorses and keeping them happy. but i heard mollies are salt intolerent. would they have to be gradually introduced to salt water, or would it be possible to have some in the seahorse tank? i'm guessing they won't try nipping at the seahorses would they? i heard seahorses like fish fry, so the seahorses may go after a few of the babies, but i'll have enough hiding places they won't get too many, but a good snack.

i'll try to find some type of canister filter too. is that the best for this type of tank?

and i was gonna get some low powered power heads. like only for a 30 gallon or something, because i want to circulate and oxygenate, but i know the seahorses don't like much current. although i have heard they someetimes like to play near power heads because of the flow. i would probably play in a low powered flow too if i was a seahorse, but lets stop thinking about being a seahorse now... >_>

should i get one for a 50 gallon? i don't want there to be much current for the seahorses.

and i looked at my rock today, i don't think the anemome made it, there not on the rocks anymore. guess they died and fell off. and your right about the sting. thats how i originally found the damn things
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Old 02-27-2007, 08:58 PM   #28
 
Well the light plays a very important part for corals and live rock, to get the best coralline algae you should have at least 4wpg of 10,000k+ lighting. With corals it matters but for the soft hardy ones you should get at least 5 wpg with 10,000k lighting and some antics, with harder corals you will start to need more light. MH light is the best for hard corals while PC or VHO are ok for the softer corals.

Mollies are brackish water fish that can live in any type of water, brackish, fresh, salt, but im not sure if they breed in salt. Also when acclimating them you should do a drip acclimate for around 6-8 hours to get the salinity level right without doing any major damage to the mollies.

Have you considered a 56 gallon column tank, these tanks are tall enough for sea-horses yet have enough surface area to fit a decent amount.

As for the powerheads, almost all saltwater tanks need these, you look at an ocean an you will constatly see waves in the reefs, this is needed in the home aquaria too. They also raise the oxygen levels

Canister filters are good for FO and FOWLR but for corals, you might have to look into the berlin method (skimmer and live rock and live sand powerhead, add a refugium to this) since when you have corals, you need to be able to reduce the nitrate levels as well.
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Old 02-27-2007, 09:33 PM   #29
 
i am planning on doing the berlin method. but i just thought it wouldn't hurt to add a filter on top of that, unless it will not help the whole nitrate thing.


i'll have to look up about the mollies.

i'll probably look into a tall tank. i may not go with any corals, they may be more trouble and money then there worth. any suggestions of tall saltwater plants?

and i forgot to answer this question earlier. there will be a little bit of rock in the refugium, but it may only be rock with sponge. i'll be having some filter feeders in the refugium and the tank. so i want to have enough room in the refugium left for small filter feeders. the larger ones will be moved to the tank. Like small tube worms, or small mussels/clams.

i'm putting pics of my live rock up tomorrow.

still unanswered questions:

suggestions of good seahorse keeping/caring/breeding books
suggestions of tall saltwater plants
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Old 02-27-2007, 09:34 PM   #30
 
not sure about the books but i think (not the i think) sea weed and sea grass are good but i dont know if they grow in the home aquaria, you will need to ask someone else on this.
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