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Dying fish and cloudy water
Old 04-25-2009, 05:36 PM   #11
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I agree everyone is going to have their own opinions, however, when it comes to the basics of a successful marine setup, you will find a lot of consistencies. These include heavy protein skimming, live rock, and the proper depth of aragonite sand. There may be some small differences in the extras, such as the use of a UV Sterilizer or refugium. But you would be hard pressed to find experienced hobbyists who do not use these 3 items as the foundation of their success. (The only exception might be algae scrubbers, but these are not very popular in the U.S.)

In my opinion the best research is to read "build" threads and "tank of the month" type columns. These are generally found in the "pictures and videos" section. On this forum, the follow build threads are by experienced hobbyists who visit regularly:
There are very many more that you will find if you browse the threads. These are just the ones that I have personally visited the most and enjoyed reading.

You will also benefit from certain web sites. You can tell the ones that are just trying to sell you something from the ones that are for informational purposes. Here are a couple that I really enjoy and visit frequently. I suggest reading the Tank of the Month columns.
Advanced Aquarist's Online Magazine - Volume IV
2008 Monthly Index - Reefkeeping Magazine This one is my personal favorite. The past issues are easy to browse and you can learn a TON from reading the Tank of the Month articles. There are 8 years archived, so I would guess there are at least 80 tanks that you can read up on.

As you do this, I challenge you to find a single person who uses a biowheel system. In fact, you will probably not find a single person who uses a biological filter of any kind, other than live rock.-)

As for books, I suggest going to the local library and checking out "The Reef Aquarium" by Jullian Sprung and Charles Delbeck. It is a 3 part series. Keep in mind, regardless of the type of aquarium you want, be it fish, fish and invert, fish only with live rock, or reef... they all follow the same basic principles and should be set up the same way. The only real difference is lighting.

For magazines, I personally subscribe to Aquarium Fish Magazine, Aquarium Fish International, and Freshwater and Marine Aquarium Magazine (FAMA).

Finally, do yourself a favor and read some articles by Randy Holmes Farley. He is the worlds expert on chemistry in the marine aquarium. You especially need to understand alkalinity, calcium, pH, and magnesium and how they all relate to each other.

That should help.-)
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Old 04-26-2009, 05:39 AM   #12
I was told yesterday that my whole problem could be my condy anemone. Is this possible? My water has cleared up and the levels are good as well as he salinity. However, my last damsel died. All my fish die at night time and I was told they are probably running into the anemone and getting stung. ??
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Old 04-26-2009, 05:53 AM   #13
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Originally Posted by Steph View Post
The levels are good as well as he salinity
This entire thread has been about LONG term success. Having zero ammonia and nitrite, along with a correct pH and low nitrate... these are a GIVEN. This is just the very first step. You have to look 6 months down the road at how the aquarium will progress. Having stable alkalinity, calcium, magnesium, and zero Nitrate are the long term concerns.

Again, your tank is not set up properly for care of marine animals. I am simply being honest when I tell you that your lack of experience is very obvious. You need to start taking advice from people who have had long term success in this hobby, not from a guy who is paid to sell something to you.
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Old 04-27-2009, 10:46 AM   #14
I would start over with a new tank and proper equipment. Your tank you have now would make a nice fresh water system
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Old 04-27-2009, 12:30 PM   #15
Everyonr keeps telling me to get proper equipment. I bought this aquarium as a kit, it is a Marineland brand and has everything in it for a saltwater aquarium!! Please tell me what the proper equipment is?! Also, I did a whole new set of water tests and everything is perfect, so I hate to dump it out to to start over. Ex: ph 8.0, nitrites 0, Amonia 0, and salinity 1.023. Also the water has cleared.
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Old 04-27-2009, 01:19 PM   #16
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To start:

The proper "equipment" is:

If you click the underlined blue type, it will bring you to an example of each.

(1) protein skimmer This is the example I have, I like it.
(2) Deep Sand Bed This is aragonite sand. should be between 4-6" deep.
(3) Live Rock this can be bought at your local fish store, might need to cure an additional 2-4 weeks for die-off. I would suggest 1-1/2 to 2 lbs per gallon.
(4) Powerheads these increase water flow and oxygen flow in the water.
(5) Test Kits I linked you to KH/Carbonate and Calcium test kits, but you'll also need to test for Magnesium, Nitrates, Nitrites, Ammonia and pH, Temerature and Salinity.
(6) Hydrometer Tests Salinity
(7) Thermometer

If you plan on incorporating a sump, let us know. This equipment will get you started for FISH ONLY. If you want to start keeping corals and inverts, some other things are needed.
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Old 04-27-2009, 04:59 PM   #17
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personally i dont like that skimmer and i suggest a refractometer over a hydrometer anyday as the hydroms dont tend to be very accurate. ebay has refractometers for $20-30.
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Old 04-27-2009, 05:34 PM   #18
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What skimmer would you see fit for a Fish Only tank? Or any tank for that matter?
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Old 04-27-2009, 09:23 PM   #19
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theres a few i like, just thats not one of them.
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Old 04-27-2009, 09:44 PM   #20
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To each his own. I have been using it and find that it skims nicely. I get a full collection cup of dark skimmate every couple of days, and the controls are easy to adjust.

Have you personally had a problem with this skimmer? If so let me know what I should watch out for.
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