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Old 02-02-2012, 01:44 PM   #1
 
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Question Starter tank

I am a freshwater fan, but what would you people say is the smallest tank I would be able to keep marine fish?
I am really wanting to try it,but I have a budget. I like reef tanks,so I think I would try that .
So any help is wanted,dead or alive!

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Old 02-02-2012, 02:49 PM   #2
 
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Is the fire goby a good beginner fish,can I house it in 17gal?How many fish can I keep in this tank if possible?

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Old 02-02-2012, 03:19 PM   #3
 
1 in of fish per 4 gallons of water.

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Old 02-02-2012, 09:15 PM   #4
 
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Is the fire goby a good beginner fish,can I house it in 17gal?How many fish can I keep in this tank if possible?
Good fish, bad tank size.
10 gallon is not really a good fish to start with fish, its basically for eye candy, corals. 20g long would be a much better choice for keeping fish. Relatively easy also.
Dry Rock, there are a few hitchhickers on Live Rock that people want to stay away from, so they opt for using Dry Rock, or Dead Rock. Macro Rock is a good place to start looking for that. Either way you go you will need a minimum of 1lb per gallon.
Replacement filter media like filter floss and activated carbon (if you get a filter)
Multiple Powerheads (2 or 3) 10x your water volume for just a Fish Only With Live Rock, and at least 20x your water volume for a Reef Tank. So lets say your going reef, and you have a 100g tank, you would need flow in that tank at minimum of 2000gph, or 2 1000gph powerheads.
Protein Skimmer, rated at 2 times your water volume
Saltwater Test Kits.
Reef Test Kit. Test for Ammonia, Nitrites, Nitrates, PH, Phosphates, Calcium, ALK and Magnesium.
Saltwater fish food. Mysis Shrimp, Squid, Cyclopease, Algae Sheets, Romaine Lettuce . Flake food is not really a good food to feed your marine fish.
Aquarium vacuum. This one is iffy. Most don't use one, if you have enough flow in the tank you won’t need one
Rubber kitchen gloves
Fish net
Two, clean, never used before, 5-gallon buckets
Aquarium thermometer, digital being the best.
Brush with plastic bristles (old tooth brush) - needed for cleaning the live rock if you don't get Fully Cured Live Rock.
Power Strip, possibly GFCI outlets by the tank.
Optional but definitely recommend getting a Reverse Osmosis or RO/Deionization filter for the make-up water, and a barrel for storing the water.
Possibly a Quarantine Tank for your new fish. They sit in here for a few weeks to kill off parasites and bacteria, to keep it from getting in your main tank
Heater rated for your size tank.
Saltwater Mix. Marine
SaltSaltwater Hydrometer or even better a Refractometer, which is more accurate
Aquarium filter (not absolutely necessary if running with adequate amounts of live rock, but nice to have if you need to use a mechanical filter or activated carbon, etc.)Aquarium substrate such as live sand or crushed cora. Some go bare Bottom, others choose the 2-3" bottom, others, more advanced will try the Deep Sand Bed, which is over 6" deep.

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Old 02-03-2012, 01:14 AM   #5
 
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Good fish, bad tank size.
10 gallon is not really a good fish to start with fish, its basically for eye candy, corals. 20g long would be a much better choice for keeping fish. Relatively easy also.
Dry Rock, there are a few hitchhickers on Live Rock that people want to stay away from, so they opt for using Dry Rock, or Dead Rock. Macro Rock is a good place to start looking for that. Either way you go you will need a minimum of 1lb per gallon.
Replacement filter media like filter floss and activated carbon (if you get a filter)
Multiple Powerheads (2 or 3) 10x your water volume for just a Fish Only With Live Rock, and at least 20x your water volume for a Reef Tank. So lets say your going reef, and you have a 100g tank, you would need flow in that tank at minimum of 2000gph, or 2 1000gph powerheads.
Protein Skimmer, rated at 2 times your water volume
Saltwater Test Kits.
Reef Test Kit. Test for Ammonia, Nitrites, Nitrates, PH, Phosphates, Calcium, ALK and Magnesium.
Saltwater fish food. Mysis Shrimp, Squid, Cyclopease, Algae Sheets, Romaine Lettuce . Flake food is not really a good food to feed your marine fish.
Aquarium vacuum. This one is iffy. Most don't use one, if you have enough flow in the tank you won’t need one
Rubber kitchen gloves
Fish net
Two, clean, never used before, 5-gallon buckets
Aquarium thermometer, digital being the best.
Brush with plastic bristles (old tooth brush) - needed for cleaning the live rock if you don't get Fully Cured Live Rock.
Power Strip, possibly GFCI outlets by the tank.
Optional but definitely recommend getting a Reverse Osmosis or RO/Deionization filter for the make-up water, and a barrel for storing the water.
Possibly a Quarantine Tank for your new fish. They sit in here for a few weeks to kill off parasites and bacteria, to keep it from getting in your main tank
Heater rated for your size tank.
Saltwater Mix. Marine
SaltSaltwater Hydrometer or even better a Refractometer, which is more accurate
Aquarium filter (not absolutely necessary if running with adequate amounts of live rock, but nice to have if you need to use a mechanical filter or activated carbon, etc.)Aquarium substrate such as live sand or crushed cora. Some go bare Bottom, others choose the 2-3" bottom, others, more advanced will try the Deep Sand Bed, which is over 6" deep.
I just remembered that I can take out a permit for caching ten fish under 12'' and then aloud to keep them.Last year I caught a puffer but I did not have a fish tank at that time Off the east cost of South Africa is a rock area with a lot of reef fish close to the land,I can also get some coral,sponges,invertabrids, and so on..... with a permit I will probably have some money to by a 20gal.

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Old 02-03-2012, 04:51 AM   #6
 
i am jsut stating with salt too
and i have learned that a 40+ tank would be better because smaller bodys of water are harder to keep exact parameters for a beginner
and even if you are going with a fowler and not a reef it its still sugested to but at least t5 ho lighting because regular lighting promotes nuisance algae growth

this guy is awesome his videos are soo informative
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Old 04-22-2012, 07:00 AM   #7
 
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I will have a tank open in a month or so.(20 or a 25gal, both are long)

Do I need a Protein Skimmer?

Will a filter rated 800lp(power filter) and a filter rated 120lp (water fall) be enough?

I like eels, but I don't think it is a possible.

I like the fuzzy dwarf lion fish, I also don't think this is possible.

I also like the flame dwarf angel, I think this one would be possible.

I also like the Spotted Cardinalfish, I also think this one would be possible.

I know next to bogus about salt water so pleas go slow.
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Old 04-22-2012, 12:16 PM   #8
 
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I will have a tank open in a month or so.(20 or a 25gal, both are long)

Do I need a Protein Skimmer?

Will a filter rated 800lp(power filter) and a filter rated 120lp (water fall) be enough?

I like eels, but I don't think it is a possible.

I like the fuzzy dwarf lion fish, I also don't think this is possible.

I also like the flame dwarf angel, I think this one would be possible.

I also like the Spotted Cardinalfish, I also think this one would be possible.

I know next to bogus about salt water so pleas go slow.
Power filters are not need in a SW tank. Bes to use a skimmer. WIth a tank that size, its not a need to have one, as long as you watch your Nitrates closely, as you can always change water weekly to remove excess nutrients that can couse trouble. You'll need a minimum of 25lbs of Live Rock or Macro Rock, doesn't matter which, but that if your filter, not those mechanical filters.
As for your fish choices, Flame Angel yes, if you got a 25-30g, Spotted Cardinal, yes. Lion fish No, Eels, No. If your wanting any of those fish, your best bet would be to get a 50-75g tank.
You need water movement in a SW tank, power filters are not counted as water movers as all they do is return water back to the tank. You need power heads, rated at a minimum of 10x your water volume.
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Old 04-22-2012, 01:39 PM   #9
 
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If I have 2 under gravel filters a water fall(120lp) and I take the power head of the power filter(800lp) will the other filters be enough?

Will I be able to keep the flame angel with the cardinal?

I am thinking of a reef set up,but it will be low light corals.

I may be able to put in a other power head(not sure) it is rated 400lp.

Will the fish survive a 5our drive?
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Old 04-22-2012, 02:55 PM   #10
 
Those filters are going to cause you problems. And you will only be able to keep low light and low flow corals, HOB filters to not create flow. I'd say no, you can't keep both fish in a 20g tank, only one of them.
Undergravel filter is going to kill the tank. They are Nitrate Factories.
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