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Can Freshwater Tanks Have Powerheads?
Old 05-23-2009, 03:32 AM   #1
 
Question Can Freshwater Tanks Have Powerheads?

have Powerheads?
I have been an owner of freshwater tanks for 10 years, but I am not a professional breeder, just a hobbyist.

I upgraded from my old standard 10 gallon tank to a modest 20 gallon.

My new 20 gallon tank is from TopFin.

My 12X24 underground filter is via PerfectaFlo.

I have an Aqua-Tech Power Filter for aquariums that are 10-20 gallons.

And I have installed two (2) Aqua-Tech Power Heads at 170 GPH per powerhead.

My questions are: 1.) Can Freshwater tank even have powerheads and 2.) if so, how many powerheads are recommended for a standard 20 gallon tank?

This is my first time ever using a powerhead.

In the past, I have always used the Aqua-Tech Premium Undergravel Filter system that included two (2) Filter Plates, two (2) Gravel Guards, two (2) Uplift Tubes, two (2) Elbow Diffusers, two (2) Rigid Airlines, two (2) Air Diffusers, two (2) Carbon Cartridges, and one (1) Plug; however, now that my local retailer no longer carries the Air Diffusers or the Carbon Cartridges I am forced to upgrade to powerheads.

So, I bought two. One for each Uplift Tube. I placed them both in the back of my tank, one on the left-hand side and the other on the right-hand side.

My new 20 gallon tank only inhabits five (5) Calico Fintail (Fancy) Gold Fish. Each Calico is approximately five (5) inches long. Nothing exotic like tropical fish or coral reef tanks.

Although, I wish I had the mad skills and abilities to run with the big dogs in those salt water habitats, but for now it is just simple freshwater tanks for my daughter's amusement.


P.S. The five (5) Calico Fintails are currently not in the new 20 gallon tank. I have not switched them over yet. Waited for advice and/or feedback.
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Old 05-23-2009, 09:24 AM   #2
 
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yes and you can have as many as youd like depending on gph

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Old 05-23-2009, 10:04 AM   #3
 
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have Powerheads?
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I am forced to upgrade to powerheads....

why?

and arnt these the goldfish that are chubby? they arent going to like that much flow. infact what comes from your filter should be plenty granted it disrupts the surface. that would also be an overstocked tank IMO as goldfish have a huge bioload and are messy. has the tank cycled? welcome to the forum.
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Old 05-23-2009, 12:41 PM   #4
 
onefish2fish,


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Why am I being forced to upgrade to powerheads? As previously stated, my local retailer no longer carries the Air Diffusers or the Carbon Cartridges that go inside of the Up Tubes of my Aqua-Tech Premium Undergravel Filter system.


Instead now they carry Aqua-Tech Power Heads at 170 GPH.


Since I have two (2) Up Tubes I purchased two (2) power heads. Without the replacement Carbon Cartridges and Air Diffuser what purpose of the Aqua-Tech Premium Undergravel Filter system?


Yes. The Calico Fantails are the "cubby" fancy goldfish.


Yes. The tank has cycled for about 12 hours before I drained the water and dismantled the equipment this morning.


Returning tank, hood, black light bulb, 12X24 underground filter is via PerfectaFlo, Aqua-Tech Power Filter for aquariums that are 10-20 gallons and the two (2)
Aqua-Tech Power Heads at 170 GPH per powerhead.


Going to purchase a larger aquarium and pray that I can find a way to not only transport it to the house, but find some way to haul it upstairs to my daughter's bed room.


Sigh. I cannot remember a day were simple goldfish were this complicated. Perhaps, ten years has been too long to stay out of the loop of the aquatic business.
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Old 05-24-2009, 08:33 AM   #5
 
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i see what your saying, the powerhead fed the undergravel filter.
IMO UG filters are out dated and a 10 gal with 5 goldies would have been majorly over stocked.
heres a link on cycles: http://www.fishforum.com/member-subm...-methods-3067/
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Old 05-24-2009, 09:31 AM   #6
 
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i see what your saying, the powerhead fed the undergravel filter.
Yes. The powerheads have a black "cone" shaped plastic piece and it fits into the Uplift Tube of he UGF. Therefore, the two pieces (powerhead & UGF) became complete unit.

Anyway, I am not using any UGFs. I have removed my 10 gallon tank UGF due to discontinued parts and I returned the PerfectaFlo 12x 24 underground filter for the 20 gal TopFin tank yesterday.

I did not realize that you could use powerheads without an UGF system. However, now that I know this, in the future I will be using powerheads in my 55 gal + tanks and never going back to UGF systems.

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a 10 gal with 5 goldies would have been majorly over stocked.
Onefish2fish, I do not understand this comment. I have never had five (5) fish in a ten (10) gallon tank.

I had two (2) separate tanks. #1- the origianl 10 gal (still have up and running) and #2 - the TopFin 20 gal (that I returned to the store yesterday.

The fish in my daughter's original 10 gal was not going to be transferred into the 20 gal.

My daughter picked out five new fish; the five inch Calico Fantail Fancy Gold Fish. It was these fish that were going to go into the new TopFin 20 gal aquarium, but I quickly discovered that the 20 gal was too small for five (5) Calicos that were each five (5) inches long.

Therefore, I returned the 20 gal yesterday and am picking up a gently-used, but still good working condition 55 gal tank this afternoon.

All of the Calicos are in separate tempoary hospital tanks. Five (5) five (5) tanks. One fish per tank.

When I finally get the 55 gal there will be total of seven (7) tanks and six (6) fish in this house.

--Six 10 gallon tanks (5 hospital & 1 habitat)
--One 55 gallon tank.
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Old 05-24-2009, 06:16 PM   #7
 
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Looks like everything is in order then.

Per the UGF filtration, there is nothing wrong with including powerheads in the UGF setup to make it a RUGF which works better than the standard UGF setup. It will not, of course, work with sand if you are using sand as sand will damage the impellers and clog the filter plates. I do think sand is your best bet for goldfish tanks as goldfish tend to choke on gravel. Go with sand and avoid the UGF setup completely.

I've been out of the loop from the goldfish arena for a few years as well and was completely confused by the number of strains available but still managed to hurdle the basics that I remember quite well and eventually grasped everything. Not all goldfish dislike the currents. Common goldfish, comets and shubunkins will certainly appreciate it due to their streamline body appearance. Wakins and watonais are also another couple of strains that will work effectively although all five grow larger than the fantails.

Fantails seem to be an intermediate of the streamlined and fancy goldfish, thus, these are quite hardy and able to survive pond conditions unlike most fancy strains. I have one fantail at the moment that continues to spawn although she and the watonai eat the eggs after that since my new pond is still pending.
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Old 05-25-2009, 05:11 AM   #8
 
[quote=Lupin;198431]Per the UGF filtration, there is nothing wrong with including powerheads in the UGF setup to make it a RUGF which works better than the standard UGF setup. It will not, of course, work with sand if you are using sand as sand will damage the impellers and clog the filter plates./quote]

Lupin,

I do not mean to sound dense, but I am not completely familiar with all of the aquatic jargon. What does RUGF stand for?

And while I am on the subject of acronyms what does IFs and LFs mean?

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I do think sand is your best bet for goldfish tanks as goldfish tend to choke on gravel. Go with sand and avoid the UGF setup completely.
Sand? I have never had sand in a fish tank before. That sounds way cool, but what about the gravel giving the natural bacteria a place to grow so they can break down organic waste. Is organic waste not bio-load?

I suction vac my gravel and if I use sand instead of gravel in the 55 gal how will I suction vac without removing the sand? Sand granules are smaller than the gravel. Or do I not need to suction vac if I have sand? Is sand not used for strictly salt water tanks?

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Not all goldfish dislike the currents. Common goldfish, comets and shubunkins will certainly appreciate it due to their streamline body appearance. Wakins and watonais are also another couple of strains that will work effectively although all five grow larger than the fantails. Fantails seem to be an intermediate of the streamlined and fancy goldfish, thus, these are quite hardy and able to survive pond conditions unlike most fancy strains.
What about the Black Moore goldfish. Does he dislike currents? That is my daughter's 10 gal fish.

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I have one fantail at the moment that continues to spawn although she and the watonai eat the eggs after that since my new pond is still pending.
Wow spawn? I do not even know the sex of these Calios. Will my daughter's spawn? How in the world can you sex goldfish?
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Old 05-25-2009, 05:26 AM   #9
 
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Lupin,

I do not mean to sound dense, but I am not completely familiar with all of the aquatic jargon. What does RUGF stand for?

And while I am on the subject of acronyms what does IFs and LFs mean?
No, not being dense at all.

RUGF-reverse undergravel filtration
LFS-local fish store

Check these links out for RUGF as I do not want to bother explaining the concept of this one.
The Reverse Undergravel Filter

The RFUGF Page

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Sand? I have never had sand in a fish tank before. That sounds way cool, but what about the gravel giving the natural bacteria a place to grow so they can break down organic waste. Is organic waste not bio-load?
Organic wastes are technically bioload. Even though gravel does have larger surface area to allow the bacteria to colonize well, sand works just fine and you already have the filtration system where most beneficial bacteria will colonize as well. Add Malaysian trumpet snails to keep the sand substrate well aerated preventing the anaerobic bacteria from developing which is extremely dangerous in a freshwater setup. Compact sand can choke the plant roots and when disturbed, release hydrogen sulfide which is dangerous to both the owner and the fish.

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I suction vac my gravel and if I use sand instead of gravel in the 55 gal how will I suction vac without removing the sand? Sand granules are smaller than the gravel. Or do I not need to suction vac if I have sand? Is sand not used for strictly salt water tanks?
Hover the vacuum in at least 45 degrees angle and a few inches above the sand. The detritus are lighter than sand and should be sucked straight away by the vacuum without the sand getting in the way.

Sand is not strictly for SW. If you get the right sand from the right source, it should not be an issue at all. Stick to pool sand available in swimming pool supply stores. It is inert and should not alter your water chemistry. With goldfish, beach sand can work just fine even though it comprises mostly calcium carbonate responsible for the increase of both the pH and KH. pH is hardly an issue whereas KH is but goldfish are not really bothered by the elevated KH as they can adapt to it effectively.

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What about the Black Moore goldfish. Does he dislike currents? That is my daughter's 10 gal fish.
Black moors are fancy strains and move rather slowly compared to fantails. The mix can work if you can locate the currents away from the direction of the fish by diverting the flow directly to the glass instead of the open space. Make sure your black moor gets its fair share of food. Fantails are rather boisterous and can hog the food.

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Wow spawn? I do not even know the sex of these Calios. Will my daughter's spawn? How in the world can you sex goldfish?
Spawning can happen in tanks if your tanks are spacious enough for the goldfish to permit them to perform spawning rituals which involve males chasing around the chosen lady. You need to make sure your goldfish are sexually matured by at least a year or two.

Here's Felix, a watonai. Notice the gill covers riddled with white tubercles (pimples)? Tubercles appear in males when they are near spawning conditions. It will also appear on their frontal pectoral fins. Females have smoother gill covers and rounder body shape due to the fact they are filled with roe (eggs).



For more breeding information, see these.
Goldfish Breeding

Goldfish Breeding, Further Images

Sexing Goldfish
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Old 05-25-2009, 07:21 AM   #10
 
If LFs are local fish store are IFs individual fish stor?

Reverse undergravel filtration?! Not even going to go there. lol.

Wow! Snails and sand? How many snails and how much sand? No offense, but aquarium gravel sounds a whole lot easier. I have no clue how much sand costs, but gravel is $3.28 for a 5 lb bag at Wal-Mart. Sand and snails may be a bit too complicated for me. What if the snails get sick? Will they make the fish sick too? How/what do you feed snails. And isn't wet sand heavier than wet gravel?

Great my daugther's Calios are pigs too! lol.

See, that picture of Felix is extremely confusing. I would have thought those "pimples" on the gills and frontal pectoral fins were ich. That is exactly were ich effects...the gills. Scary stuff. i would have been treating a perfectly healthy fish.

When did simple goldfish become so complicated? Sigh. I have my work cut out for me.
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