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Rich T Bennett 04-07-2012 06:01 PM

**very sick & unhappy oranda - please help!!**
 
1. Size of tank - 35 Litres (approx 32 litres on water contained)

2. Water parameters:-a. Ammonia - 1
b. Nitrite - Unknown
c. Nitrate - Unknown
d. pH - 7.6
e. Test kit - pH only

3. Temperature - Room Temp

4. FW (fresh water) or BW (brackish) - FW

5. How long the aquarium has been set up - Tank started Thursday 29th of March

6. What fish do you have? 1 x Oranda / 1 x Dragon Eye Goldfish

How big are they - Oranda about 7cm / Dragon Eye about 6cm
How long have you had them - Friday the 30th of March

7. Were the fish placed under quarantine period (minus the first batch from the point wherein the tank is ready to accommodate the inhabitants) - No, we introduced both fish on the day of purchase into the newly set-up tank

8. a. Any live plants? Fake plants? - Yes, Live Plants
b. Sand, gravel, barebottom - Yes. 10 Kg of natural gravel
c. Rocks, woods, fancy decors? Any hollow decors? - Yes, Hollow Incan Head

9. a. Filtration? - Yes, Elite Hush 10
b. Heater? - No

10. a. Lighting schedule? What lights are used? Yes, 14watt lamp embedded into the hood of the tank on for approx 14/15 hours a day.
b. Any sunlight exposure? How long? No direct sunlight however the tank is near a large glass sliding door but we keep a curtain partly drawn to stop any direct sunlight.

11. a. Water change schedule? - We have performed two water changes. 1 yesterday and another 2 days before that.
b. Volume of water changed? - 8 Litres
c. Well water, tap water, RO water? - Tap Water
d. Water conditioner used? - De-chlorinator
e. Frequency of gravel/sand (if any) vacuumed? - Vacuumed both times, over the two changes all gravel covered.

12. Foods? Sera Goldy Flake Food
How often are they fed? Once per day in the evening (2 flakes per fish)

13. a. Any abnormal signs/symptoms?
Both appear very unhappy and subdued. The Oranda is spending large amounts of time in a vertical position with his head facing down and tail to the right. We believe he has Ick and are treating with Ickaway but he looks very depressed and unhappy. He also looks like his fins are disintegrating from the edges and he seems to be covered in a grey film with white dots all over.
b. Appearance of poop? - Unknown at this time
c. Appearance of gills? - Normal (we think)

14. a. Have you treated your fish ahead of diagnosis? We are treating with Ickaway and have added aquarium salt to the water
b. What meds were used? Ickaway and Aquarium Salt

15. Additional Information - We found that the Oranda we bought HAD Ick on the day that we bought him. We've since been back to the aquarium shop only to see the rest of the orandas in the tank infected with the parasite.
We are not 100% sure if we have added the correct amount of salt. We added 1 tablespoon per 20 litres so we added 1 1/2 table spoons of salt.
We are adding the stress zyme and on the second water change yesterday we added 1 teaspoon more salt to the 8 litres of water that was changed.
We believe we have added correct amounts of stress zyme, plant feed, de-chlorinator and ickaway but the salt we aren't sure about.

**WHAT CAN WE DO TO MAKE OUR FISH GET BETTER AND BE HAPPIER? WE FEEL TERRIBLE THAT THEY APPEAR TO BE VERY DEPRESSED**

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nicolaas 04-08-2012 10:14 AM

Do 50% water changes every 3 days.
Ad about 1 teaspoon salt per 10liters of water.
I think there is to much salt in the water.
I don't see ICK, it looks like fungus.(not sure)

Your tank is to small for 1 gold fish, I suggest to up grade to a 30gal wen they are better.

thekoimaiden 04-08-2012 07:27 PM

Hello Rich and welcome to TFK as well as the wonderful world of goldfish (click the shaded name for some info) keeping. Unfortunately, your tank is too small for goldfish. Two goldfish will need at least a 40 gallon (152 L) or larger tank as they produce copious amounts of waste for their size and grow to around 10 inches (25 cm) long (it is a myth that fish grow to fit their tank). If your fish do have ich, you are adding more stress by also cycling the tank with them in it. Please read this to learn about cycling and why you need a test for Ammonia, Nitrite, and Nitrate. http://www.tropicalfishkeeping.com/f...m-cycle-38617/

The disintegration fins are a bacterial infection known as finrot. It is an opportunistic infection that hits the fish when they are stressed. This often happens with the fish is in poor quality water. In this size tank you need to do a 50% minimum water change daily keep the water quality up.

As far as the white dots, I'm not sure. It could be ich as you say the rest of the fish in the tank are infected with it. It could just be excess slime coat. Do you know how hard your water is? In soft water a goldfish's slime coat tends to slough off.

I also with Nicholaas in adding 5 mL salt per gallon (that's about 50 mL for your entire tanks). This will bring the salt up to a 0.1% solution, but be sure to add it slowly as some plants don't take salt well. Add it slowly over a day and watch for signs of wilting in the plants. The salt will help with the ich and finrot.


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