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Kutzke45 03-20-2012 11:11 PM

Super Red Severum In Trouble!!
 
I bought my super red severum from my lfs last week. Ever since I got him, he's been hiding in weird positions. I know they are shy fish so that didn't concern me. But today I noticed he hasn't been eating and is loosing his color. His marks on his face aren't showing anymore. He used to be really skittish too. If I would come to the tank he would hide. He is just chilling now in the open and I can touch him and he still doesn't swim away. He is breathing some what rapid but not too bad.Ammonia, nitrates, and nitrites are perfect. The water temp is 80 and the conditions are fine.. What is wrong and what should I do??

1077 03-20-2012 11:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Kutzke45 (Post 1020049)
I bought my super red severum from my lfs last week. Ever since I got him, he's been hiding in weird positions. I know they are shy fish so that didn't concern me. But today I noticed he hasn't been eating and is loosing his color. His marks on his face aren't showing anymore. He used to be really skittish too. If I would come to the tank he would hide. He is just chilling now in the open and I can touch him and he still doesn't swim away. He is breathing some what rapid but not too bad.Ammonia, nitrates, and nitrites are perfect. The water temp is 80 and the conditions are fine.. What is wrong and what should I do??

Number's from test result's for ammonia ,nitrites,and nitrAtes are more useful than opinions for water parameter's such as fine,good,normal,or perfect.
Also info on how long tank has been running with fish, what size tank,water change and fish tank maint routine,filtration size and maint ,what chemicals or meds are or may have been used,tankmates in the tank now,or possibly added recently.
For now,, I might perform a 30 to 50 percent water change with dechlorinator such as Prime which will help with any possible ammonia,nitrites,that may be contributing to what is ailing the fish.
Might perform similar water changes a couple times each week for a few weeks.

Kutzke45 03-21-2012 12:05 AM

Well everything was regestered as zero. the tank has been running for 18 months. its a 75 gallon with an emperor 400 bio wheel. there are.two smaller green sevs.that are.quarter size. and three inch long german blue.ram cichlids. i normally do 20-30% water.change weekly . there.has been no previous disease in the tank
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1077 03-21-2012 01:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Kutzke45 (Post 1020114)
Well everything was regestered as zero. the tank has been running for 18 months. its a 75 gallon with an emperor 400 bio wheel. there are.two smaller green sevs.that are.quarter size. and three inch long german blue.ram cichlids. i normally do 20-30% water.change weekly . there.has been no previous disease in the tank
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Would expect some reading for nitrAtes in mature tank, which indicate that ammonia and nitrites are being processed.(unless tank is heavily planted).
Could be the fish has gill flukes,or other pathogens ,parasites,(quarantine is always good idea) and I would separate this fish from system if I decided to treat with meds which I would not be inclined to do, unless suggested water changes brought no relief after a week or two of twice weekly changes.

Eighteen month old Severums should be much larger than quarter size, which indicates that they are new fish to the tank. When adding new fishes, it is best to quarantine them first for a period of a few weeks to ensure that they do not bring disease to otherwise healthy stock you may have already had.

Kutzke45 03-21-2012 09:35 AM

Well I hate to say it but he was dead when I got up this morning... :/ I'm a little upset because I paid some good money for him. I retested and I let it sit for a while. I didn't let it sit last night because I was in a hurry... Ammonia is between 0-0.25 ppm and nitrite is between 0-0.25ppm as well. I have the master test kit and it doesn't give exact numbers.

1077 03-21-2012 10:15 AM

Am sorry to hear bout the fish.

If test was taken after discovery of the dead fish, and before water change,then ammonia reading an nitrite reading could be result of the dead fish.
Usually in mature tank's,the addition of one or two fish would pose no problem, but if biological filter was interrupted for some reason such as replacing a filter completely, or substrate, or if perhap's, non treated tap water found it's way into the tank (forget to use dechlorinator),or,, fishes are maybe being fed too much,then ammonia and nitrites can rise to toxic level's for fishes.
Some fishes are affected more quickly than other's.
In any event,water changes with dechlorinator as often as neccessary to reduce these two toxins is the way forward in my view.
Might also check to see that only one person is feeding the fish. When I was much younger,I lost several prized fishes due to three sister's that I was unaware were also feeding my fish.
Have also forgot to add dechlorinator on one or two occasions, but luckily I noticed the odd behaivor before it killed the fishes.

Kutzke45 03-21-2012 10:46 AM

Yeah i normally put two pinches of flakes. one in the morn and at night. The fish isn't. dead but its on its way. i found him layinf upside down and breathing.. so i moved him to my smaller tank. luckily i have a well so i dont have to worry about the chlorine. what is your input on an african cichlid set up. Before I've had multiple caves and plants but one still ebds up killing others off. would you be better off with no caves and multiple plants? The ph in my location is 7.3 i kno its high for severums but at the lfs its high too and they do fine. is it possible to do an all male hap tank? If i get 15 or so.
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1077 03-21-2012 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Kutzke45 (Post 1020319)
Yeah i normally put two pinches of flakes. one in the morn and at night. The fish isn't. dead but its on its way. i found him layinf upside down and breathing.. so i moved him to my smaller tank. luckily i have a well so i dont have to worry about the chlorine. what is your input on an african cichlid set up. Before I've had multiple caves and plants but one still ebds up killing others off. would you be better off with no caves and multiple plants? The ph in my location is 7.3 i kno its high for severums but at the lfs its high too and they do fine. is it possible to do an all male hap tank? If i get 15 or so.
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Sorry,can't be of much help with African's. I have kept mostly South American cichlids .
Will say that most cichlids will either uproot plant's,or eat them.

Kutzke45 03-21-2012 11:26 AM

Okay thanks for the help though. i appreciate it
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