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Adamson 03-16-2012 12:07 AM

Should I add another filter?
 
So right now in my 50 gallon I am running a Fluval 206, rated for up to a 45 gallon tank. The tank is probably overpopulated, I think I have 25 fish in there, it is well planted, and the water is crystal clear.

Now of those fish, 10 are small Red Belly Piranhas that I am raising. I plan to move all of the other fish except the piranhas into my 29 gallon tank soon, but I am waiting for the Piranhas to grow a little bit.

My question is, should I invest in another filter for the 50 gallon, as Piranhas are messy, high protein eaters?

If so should I just go get another Fluval 206 canister? I am happy with the one I have. Or should I save a little bit of money and get like an Aquaclear 50 HOB? I have that on my 29 gallon and it is great as well.

Any input would be greatly appreciated.

Here I could get a Rena xp3 that is rated for 175 gallons and is 350 gph for $120, otherwise the Fluval 206 I believe would got me about $84, and another Aquaclear 50 would probably be like $35..? Otherwise there is the Eheim Classic 2213 for $75..

Rena Filstar XP Canister Filter Aquarium Canister Filters

Fluval 06 Series Canister Filters, Aquarium Canister Filters | PetSolutions

Aquarium Filters: Eheim Classic Canister Series 2213, 2215, and 2217

1077 03-16-2012 12:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Adamson (Post 1015054)
So right now in my 50 gallon I am running a Fluval 206, rated for up to a 45 gallon tank. The tank is probably overpopulated, I think I have 25 fish in there, it is well planted, and the water is crystal clear.

Now of those fish, 10 are small Red Belly Piranhas that I am raising. I plan to move all of the other fish except the piranhas into my 29 gallon tank soon, but I am waiting for the Piranhas to grow a little bit.

My question is, should I invest in another filter for the 50 gallon, as Piranhas are messy, high protein eaters?

If so should I just go get another Fluval 206 canister? I am happy with the one I have. Or should I save a little bit of money and get like an Aquaclear 50 HOB? I have that on my 29 gallon and it is great as well.

Any input would be greatly appreciated.

Here I could get a Rena xp3 that is rated for 175 gallons and is 350 gph for $120, otherwise the Fluval 206 I believe would got me about $84, and another Aquaclear 50 would probably be like $35..? Otherwise there is the Eheim Classic 2213 for $75..

Rena Filstar XP Canister Filter Aquarium Canister Filters

Fluval 06 Series Canister Filters, Aquarium Canister Filters | PetSolutions

Aquarium Filters: Eheim Classic Canister Series 2213, 2215, and 2217

For the Piranha's that can grow to 13 inches and weigh close to three pounds,I would be investing in larger tank and filtration capable of filtering eight, to ten times the tanks volume per hour.
Example50 gal X 8 = 400 gal per hour of filtration.

Adamson 03-16-2012 12:21 AM

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Originally Posted by 1077 (Post 1015065)
For the Piranha's that can grow to 13 inches and weigh close to three pounds,I would be investing in larger tank and filtration capable of filtering eight, to ten times the tanks volume per hour.
Example50 gal X 8 = 400 gal per hour of filtration.

Trust me, if my Red Bellies grow all that much I will be getting another tank. I live in an apartment now and will be moving in 2 months, then again in a year most likely.
So basically you are saying I should get a filter with almost as high gph as I can..

1077 03-16-2012 12:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Adamson (Post 1015067)
Trust me, if my Red Bellies grow all that much I will be getting another tank. I live in an apartment now and will be moving in 2 months, then again in a year most likely.
So basically you are saying I should get a filter with almost as high gph as I can..

Have heard these responses by the thousand's.:|
All fish grow with good care, and ten little Piranha won't stay little for long.
Yes,large messy fish need heavy filtration and religious maint of said filtration.
Filters with few exceptions, only remove what particulates are free floating in the water, they don't remove that which falls to the substrate.
With large messy fishes,you want to keep as much particulate matter in the water colomun as you can for the filter material to catch.(don't want it collecting on bottom)
This means filter material will ALWAYS need attention, and large weekly water changes will be needed as well.

Adamson 03-16-2012 01:10 AM

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Originally Posted by 1077 (Post 1015085)
Have heard these responses by the thousand's.:|
All fish grow with good care, and ten little Piranha won't stay little for long.
Yes,large messy fish need heavy filtration and religious maint of said filtration.
Filters with few exceptions, only remove what particulates are free floating in the water, they don't remove that which falls to the substrate.
With large messy fishes,you want to keep as much particulate matter in the water colomun as you can for the filter material to catch.(don't want it collecting on bottom)
This means filter material will ALWAYS need attention, and large weekly water changes will be needed as well.

Right now I have a powerhead shooting water at the bottom of the tank, causing a stir and kicking up a lot of the crap that builds up on the bottom.

I am sure you have heard it in the thousands, I see it here everyday. Trust me, multiple times I have returned fish that I have deemed too big for my aquarium. I have 10 dime-quarter sized Red Bellies, I am expecting a couple to fall to cannibalism. I understand they can grow up to an inch a month, up to 6 inches, then it slows. I am going to get a 220g at some point, but like I said I am moving a lot right now, as I am in college, and cba to be moving such a big aquarium.

My question is, which of the filters I listed above should I get to accompany my current Fluval 206?

1077 03-16-2012 01:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Adamson (Post 1015097)
Right now I have a powerhead shooting water at the bottom of the tank, causing a stir and kicking up a lot of the crap that builds up on the bottom.

I am sure you have heard it in the thousands, I see it here everyday. Trust me, multiple times I have returned fish that I have deemed too big for my aquarium. I have 10 dime-quarter sized Red Bellies, I am expecting a couple to fall to cannibalism. I understand they can grow up to an inch a month, up to 6 inches, then it slows. I am going to get a 220g at some point, but like I said I am moving a lot right now, as I am in college, and cba to be moving such a big aquarium.

My question is, which of the filters I listed above should I get to accompany my current Fluval 206?

The one with highest flow rate, largest biological ,mechanical media ,capacity.8-)

Adamson 03-16-2012 01:17 AM

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Originally Posted by 1077 (Post 1015101)
The one with highest flow rate, largest biological ,mechanical media ,capacity.8-)

Which would be the Rena xp3, anyone have experience with them?

1077 03-16-2012 01:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Adamson (Post 1015104)
Which would be the Rena xp3, anyone have experience with them?

I believe Byron uses one on planted tank.8-)

Adamson 03-16-2012 01:28 AM

I sent him a pm. Only thing I have read with the XP3 is that they can seem a bit noisy..

1077 03-16-2012 01:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Adamson (Post 1015109)
I sent him a pm. Only thing I have read with the XP3 is that they can seem a bit noisy..

Can't say, I have only used eheim,aquaclear,emperor filters.
I doubt Byron would tolerate an inherently noisy filter though:lol:


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