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Deadstroke174 02-14-2012 10:30 AM

help needed on new tanks
 
So I will be picking up 2 new tanks (125 and 55 gallon) either Friday or this weekend. They come with stands, 5 canister filters(can't remember what kind), a T5 light, and regular lights all for $400. Sounded like a very good deal to me.

So with my first tank I pretty much did everything wrong and have learned a lot from reading these forums and others helping out. However, the more you learn the more questions you have so here goes. :)

I think with the 125 I am going to go with a medival theme with a lot of live plants and for the 55 gallon i plan on doing a more natural look.

For both:

What are the best fish to cycle with?
I have a python clean and fill already, can i use it for all my tanks or do i need one per tank?

For the 125 gallon:

Any advice on what to stock it with?
This tank has the T5 light so what plants would you recommend?

For the 55 Gallon:

Any advice on what to stock it with?
Any advice on what to buy to go for a natural look would be very much appreciated.

Thank you in advance. Once i get the tanks i will start posting pictures.

Geomancer 02-14-2012 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Deadstroke174 (Post 982198)
So I will be picking up 2 new tanks (125 and 55 gallon) either Friday or this weekend. They come with stands, 5 canister filters(can't remember what kind), a T5 light, and regular lights all for $400. Sounded like a very good deal to me.

So with my first tank I pretty much did everything wrong and have learned a lot from reading these forums and others helping out. However, the more you learn the more questions you have so here goes. :)

I think with the 125 I am going to go with a medival theme with a lot of live plants and for the 55 gallon i plan on doing a more natural look.

For both:

What are the best fish to cycle with?
I have a python clean and fill already, can i use it for all my tanks or do i need one per tank?

Do the fish a favor and do not use them to cycle. Take a look at this page, it gives several different methods to achieve a cycle without poisoning fish.

http://www.tropicalfishkeeping.com/f...m-cycle-38617/

You can use the same fill hose for all tanks, no reason to keep them separate.
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Originally Posted by Deadstroke174 (Post 982198)
For the 125 gallon:

Any advice on what to stock it with?
This tank has the T5 light so what plants would you recommend?

T5 or T5HO? Big difference, but most likely it will be HO. That means they are bright (usually for marine reef tanks). For freshwater you will need floating plants to diffuse the light. Keep the duration at no more than 8 hours a day, a timer will be necessary. Too much light = algae.

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Originally Posted by Deadstroke174 (Post 982198)
For the 55 Gallon:

Any advice on what to stock it with?
Any advice on what to buy to go for a natural look would be very much appreciated.

Thank you in advance. Once i get the tanks i will start posting pictures.

Sand or fine gravel. Malaysian driftwood and rocks for decoration. Lots of plants, including floating plants.

Fish... that's too open of a question. Pick something you really want and have the tap water parameters for (pH, GH, and KH). Read up on it in the fish profiles (Tropical Fish Profiles) and it will usually give good tank mates. Go light, rather than heavy on stocking. At least to start, light stocking is more forgiving to mistakes.

DKRST 02-14-2012 01:24 PM

Don't necessarily agree on the fishless cycle, but that's only because I'm usually much too impatient to get some fish in the tank! If you have lots of live plants, you'll have minimal cycling issues. Start with very few fish, feed lightly and build fish stock slowly. Danios and white clouds are noted as being tolerant of high nitrate levels. One issue using Danios or white clouds is then catching them in a planted tank - it can be tricky in a large tank with lots of plants!

NOTE: I recommend using a quarantine tank for any fish before introducing into your larger tanks Treating 10 or 20 gallons with meds is much less expensive! Do not mix drain and fill hoses or nets from your QT tank with anything else unless you know the QT tank is "safe", or you'll be sorry ....

If you have T5HO bulbs, you'll probably need to suspend the lights some to reduce the light levels or use a single bulb on the 55g.

Geomancer 02-14-2012 01:36 PM

Well, yes, and that's in the guide I linked ;) Technically there almost is no cycle if you have enough plants, the bacteria don't stand a chance to consume any of the ammonia if you have enough plants. But you really have to make sure you have a lot of plants. A few here and there won't cut it.

Deadstroke174 02-14-2012 02:03 PM

I am planning to have a lot of plants in both the 125 gallon and 55 gallon tanks. I really like the way the live plants look in a tank versus the fake plants.

Byron 02-14-2012 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Deadstroke174 (Post 982303)
I am planning to have a lot of plants in both the 125 gallon and 55 gallon tanks. I really like the way the live plants look in a tank versus the fake plants.

In that case, plant the tank and when planted decently (meaning, planted with several plants including some reasonably fast growing species, not just a stem or two:lol:) introduce a few of the fish you want. If this is your first time doing this, select the "hardier" of the fish you intend to start with. I do not recommend putting in some fish you don't intend having, just to start things; this can cause various problems. Planting a tank and introducing fish the next day does not cause any more stress to most fish aside from that of being added to a different environment. Some fish should only be added to an established tank, so I would not use those.

Back to your initial post, plan the fish you want first, then select the plants. The decor should accomodate the fish too, for example, some fish need chunks of wood, some rock, some caves, etc. All these things should be in the tank so the plants can go around them naturally.

Byron.

Deadstroke174 02-16-2012 11:56 AM

Ok I think i have figured out the fish I want in both tanks which i hopefully will pick up this weekend. so it will still be awhile before everything is set up, but a little planning never hurt anything :)

125G
15 Black Ruby Barb's
12 Branded Dwarf loach
8 Angelicus Loach
15 Marble Hatchet Fish
8 African Dwarf Frog's

Not sure about Alge eaters yet

55G
10 Black Phantom Tetra's
10 Cherry Barb's
6 Angel Fish

Not Sure about the Alge eaters.

From what i read on the profile pages they are all in the same range of ph, temp, non aggessive, and like plants. Do you think it is too many fish in each tank or am I about where i should be to have fully stocked tanks? Any suggestions in regards to this mix and/or plants that might be good with these fish is greatly appreciated.

I really appreciate everyone's advice.

ladayen 02-16-2012 12:12 PM

So you have soft acidic water?

On a side note, how high is the 125? African Dwarf Frogs need air to breathe. If they have trouble getting to the surface they will drown.

In your 55g, all those fish listed are mid level swimmers I believe. Going to be a crowded tank yet so empty at the same time.

Deadstroke174 02-16-2012 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by ladayen (Post 983971)
So you have soft acidic water?

On a side note, how high is the 125? African Dwarf Frogs need air to breathe. If they have trouble getting to the surface they will drown.

In your 55g, all those fish listed are mid level swimmers I believe. Going to be a crowded tank yet so empty at the same time.

I can maintain a roughly 7 pH balance. Not sure about the height only remember the length which is 72. I have two of them in my 55G and they are doing good, but i will check as the last thing i want is to put them in a tank that they can't live in.

I really like the Cherry Barbs for the 55G, what would you suggest besides the tetra's or Angel's?

Geomancer 02-16-2012 12:28 PM

Get some bottom fish in place of the tetras. Either some loaches, or cory catfish. Maybe a whiptail catfish. With loaches, make sure they are not nippers because of the angels.

I'd keep the angels though, they are one of my favorites.

For algae, don't get fish to try and control that ... it often just dosen't work well. Snails can help, you may end up with snails regardless as they often come with plants ;) The best defense against algae is to control your light, put them on timers for ~8 hours a day to start.

For everyone's sake, don't get something like a Chinese Algae Eater, those suckers are awful in more ways than one!


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