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Gemini 01-26-2012 07:42 AM

Any advice on improving my feeding/care method?
 
HI. I'm totally Newbie -both here and as a aquarist- and any help would be greatly appreciated :-) I have a 300litr saltwater aquarium with live rocks and here are fishes I have: a Maroon clown & also a tomato, a blue tang and one white cheek surgeon, a longnose butterfly & - yeah, I'm aware of my confidence! :-D - a spotted sweetlips, too. so as a friend advised me, I use frozen Artemia & Tetra granules for feeding them. they eat fairly well except the butterfly which prefers searching on the rocks & the sweetlips which also mostly likes to taste the sands and rocks!

so here's my question. is there any thing else I should do to feed them? and how often should I do that? Overall is there any special considerations? thank you in advance.

Tazman 01-26-2012 07:54 AM

First of all your tank is too small for the Tangs, Sweetlips

2 clownfish are also asking for problems as they may occasionally chase or show aggression towards one another or similar shaped tankmates.

Sweetlips needs a 300G tank when fully grown and Tangs need 125 minimum.

From LiveAquaria re: Spotted Sweetlips Minimum Tank Size: 300 gallons Care Level: Expert Only Temperament: Peaceful
Feeding is NOT going to be the problem here, you need to take the fish back to the store or get a much much bigger tank.

onefish2fish 01-26-2012 08:02 AM

this is a fish only with live rock tank? ( FOWLR ) or a reef? is there a sump? or other filtration? how much rock?


i personally pre-rinse frozen foods with alittle tank water or RO/DI water about 3x before actually using it. you can see a difference in the water after each rinsing before it finally becomes clear. i put the food into a fish net, then dunk the net in a small container of RO/DI/tank water.
i avoid flake food and anything containing more fillers then nutrition. an occasional feeding of live blackworms would make a good treat, esp for the butterfly. i wouldnt feed these often though and the same can go for fish roe ( fish eggs ) but these are very oily and should be used sparingly. i would also shut down your skimmer while feeding this as the oil will make it go bonkers.
if you have an asian supermarket close by there a good place to grab some seafood cheap to make some homemade foods in a food processor. squid, fish, fish eggs, clam, shrimp, dried seaweed ( used for sushi wraps ) and a bunch of other goodies can be bought there to use. i pre-rinse these before grinding up and then freeze the mush in a ziplock bag for later use. other things can be added to the mix too, esp if you have corals.
i usually feed every other day, sometimes every 2 days. if i feel the urge to feed in between i recently picked up a product by new life spectrum and will offer a few of their pellets but usually dont and if i do its not much, maybe 5-10 pellets.

a good mixture of foods is best to ensure your offering all the nutrition you can.

the maroon clown can be brutal, i would watch out for the mixed clowns. welcome to the forum.

Gemini 01-26-2012 08:06 AM

Quote:

First of all your tank is too small for the Tangs, Sweetlips

2 clownfish are also asking for problems as they may occasionally chase or show aggression towards one another or similar shaped tankmates.

Sweetlips needs a 300G tank when fully grown and Tangs need 125 minimum.

From LiveAquaria re: Spotted Sweetlips Minimum Tank Size: 300 gallons Care Level: Expert Only Temperament: Peaceful
Feeding is NOT going to be the problem here, you need to take the fish back to the store or get a much much bigger tank.
I don't intend to keep sweetlips to its adulthood, I know the size it may grow into. and about the tangs, I've searched through net for a long time and most of the sources mention the minimum size of 285liter.

As for the clowns, I had my doubts. but for now they don't have any problem with each other, fortunately; even during feeding times.

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this is a fish only with live rock tank? ( FOWLR ) or a reef? is there a sump? or other filtration? how much rock?
Yes it is only fish with live rocks for now. and there isn't any sump, I have filtration system. about the rocks, I think it's about 60 kg at least. there are 7-8 medium-sized pieces.

thanks for the tips. I will try homemade foods.
I feed them twice a day as well, but doesn't it affect nitrate level of the water? I've experienced 2 times rise in tank's nitrate.

The clowns get along really well for now, but I surely keep an eye on them. Thanks! :)

Tazman 01-26-2012 08:22 AM

Tangs like to swim long distances quick and the added benefit of the 6 foot+ space a 125 or bigger tanks brings is beneficial to them

Most 75G tanks are only 4 foot long which doesn't give it the space it needs, it feels stressed.

Forgive my arrogance as well...missed that you are new member...welcome to the forum :-)

Reefing Madness 01-26-2012 08:39 AM

Romaine Lettuce for he Tangs. Frozen Squid Chunks. Mysys shrimp.

Gemini 01-26-2012 08:46 AM

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Tangs like to swim long distances quick and the added benefit of the 6 foot+ space a 125 or bigger tanks brings is beneficial to them

Most 75G tanks are only 4 foot long which doesn't give it the space it needs, it feels stressed.

Forgive my arrogance as well...missed that you are new member...welcome to the forum :smile:
I see. It seems I have to let it go, I'll definitely miss it though!

Thanks for your advices :)


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Romaine Lettuce for he Tangs. Frozen Squid Chunks. Mysys shrimp.
Thanks. about the Lettuce, I heard that it's better to freeze it before using it. is that right?

onefish2fish 01-26-2012 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Gemini (Post 963670)
I don't intend to keep sweetlips to its adulthood, I know the size it may grow into. and about the tangs, I've searched through net for a long time and most of the sources mention the minimum size of 285liter.

As for the clowns, I had my doubts. but for now they don't have any problem with each other, fortunately; even during feeding times.

Yes it is only fish with live rocks for now. and there isn't any sump, I have filtration system. about the rocks, I think it's about 60 kg at least. there are 7-8 medium-sized pieces.

thanks for the tips. I will try homemade foods.
I feed them twice a day as well, but doesn't it affect nitrate level of the water? I've experienced 2 times rise in tank's nitrate.

The clowns get along really well for now, but I surely keep an eye on them. Thanks! :)

a few things, and please dont take this as an attack, only help which you can pick up and take with you or leave on the table.
i wouldnt buy kittens and get rid of them before they became cats, please only buy fish you intend to keep for their entire lives. not only is it stressful moving a fish from one system to the next, its stressful on your entire system as you'll more likely have to remove majority of the rocks to catch said fish. this is where research becomes important prior to purchase. as for the clowns they are prob. getting along for now, until that maroon matures and shows its true aggression. im glad your reading up on feeding though, thats a great start. i think you may have misread what i said too, as i do NOT feed twice a day but once every other day, if not every 2 days, with if i feel the need be a handful of high quality pellets in between. the ammount of food, pre-rinsing it and using RO/DI water for making your saltwater will play a large factor in how bad your tank will have algae outbreaks. failing to do so and you will be importing large numbers of phosphates ( possibly nitrates ) into your system which the algae will feed off of.

now, what exactly is a filtration system? can you explain yours please? again dont want that to sound mean or as an attack as you cannot pick up on tone over the internet. im only here to help :cheers:

Reefing Madness 01-26-2012 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Gemini (Post 963691)
I see. It seems I have to let it go, I'll definitely miss it though!

Thanks for your advices :)




Thanks. about the Lettuce, I heard that it's better to freeze it before using it. is that right?

I don't freeze mine. Forgot another food. Plankton. My Sweetlips loved Mysis and Plankton. And as far as it not belonging in you rtank, look at it this way, its going to be YEARS before he's even close to being to large for that tank.

Gemini 01-26-2012 09:25 AM

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a few things, and please dont take this as an attack, only help which you can pick up and take with you or leave on the table.
i wouldnt buy kittens and get rid of them before they became cats, please only buy fish you intend to keep for their entire lives. not only is it stressful moving a fish from one system to the next, its stressful on your entire system as you'll more likely have to remove majority of the rocks to catch said fish. this is where research becomes important prior to purchase. as for the clowns they are prob. getting along for now, until that maroon matures and shows its true aggression. im glad your reading up on feeding though, thats a great start. i think you may have misread what i said too, as i do NOT feed twice a day but once every other day, if not every 2 days, with if i feel the need be a handful of high quality pellets in between. the ammount of food, pre-rinsing it and using RO/DI water for making your saltwater will play a large factor in how bad your tank will have algae outbreaks. failing to do so and you will be importing large numbers of phosphates ( possibly nitrates ) into your system which the algae will feed off of.

now, what exactly is a filtration system? can you explain yours please? again dont want that to sound mean or as an attack as you cannot pick up on tone over the internet. im only here to help :cheers:
No I really appreciate your advices. I need them and that's why I'm here. :-)

You are totally right about the fish selection. The problem is because I didn't have any previous experience as a aquarist, I asked a friend to make the selection for me. It seems his experience isn't much more than mine :D but I'll definitely be more careful in the future.

About the filtration, I use the default one which the company i bought the tank from,has installed. so I don't have the exact information. Could you plz tell me the notable considerations and the differences ?


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I don't freeze mine. Forgot another food. Plankton. My Sweetlips loved Mysis and Plankton. And as far as it not belonging in you rtank, look at it this way, its going to be YEARS before he's even close to being to large for that tank.
Really? that's a good idea. Although I think mine has served himself well with all of those very tiny snails moving among the sand layer! I'll try your method,too.

Thanks alot! :D


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