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onemanswarm 01-24-2012 11:28 AM

Help a Fool Redux!
 
With assistance from the incomparable Byron, I was able to ID 5 of 6 Mystery plans from this previous post:
http://www.tropicalfishkeeping.com/a...-plants-90236/

I studied up, determined a course of care for each, and rescaped the aquarium accordingly. I offer this post first and foremost as a way to thank Byron and to show that the time he spent helping me was not spent in vain. I also have new pics of the Persisting Mystery Plant along with a Brand New Mystery Plant, both submitted for identification assistance. Hence, Help a Fool Redux.

First, the rescape:

http://www.tropicalfishkeeping.com/m...cape-21535.jpg

I moved the Bacopa to an area where it figures to collect more light. I uncovered the Java Fern and attached it to a rock with rhizome nice and exposed. I also added two floating plants (more on this later). I purchased a bottle of Flourish Comprehensive, which I intend to dose at about 2/3 the recommended volume on the day following my weekly WC. I have also been much more thoughtful and diligent about light duration.

Most of the plants seem to be doing very well. As Byron predicted, I've already begun to see the difference between immersed and submersed leaves on the Echinodorus. I plan to remove the browning immersed leaves in favor of the strong new growth.

http://www.tropicalfishkeeping.com/m...rsed-21539.jpg
I'm doing my best to keep the Crimson Ivy happy. There's some new growth, but at least an equal amount of die off on older leaves.

http://www.tropicalfishkeeping.com/m...ling-21540.jpg

Here's the Java Fern with a little company in its new setting:

http://www.tropicalfishkeeping.com/m...inky-21538.jpg

Finally, I submit two mysteries. Up first, this was purchased as a bundle of several stems bound by a metal cuff. It quickly grew very tall but fairly sparse. Here is the picture I originally submitted about a month ago:

http://www.tropicalfishkeeping.com/m...nt-6-21147.jpg

Since then, the large stems failed badly. Steady die off of the leaves and very quick rotting of the planted stems. I took a few cuttings of the new growth at the denser tops and replanted them together, but I'm worried they'll suffer the same fate as the mother plant. I'm hoping that I can ID this plant and determine a better course of care. Here's a top view of the planted cuttings (Note: This plant is also visible from a slightly different angle on the left hand side of the Crimson Ivy picture above):

http://www.tropicalfishkeeping.com/m...lant-21537.jpg

Here's a closeup:

http://www.tropicalfishkeeping.com/m...seup-21541.jpg

Last but not least, after reading several of Byron's articles and posts, I felt it was important to add some floating plants immediately. I struck out on finding a local source for Water Sprite. While visiting a LFS, I noticed a tank with a very attractive combination of Hornwort and a second plant I did not recognize. The store employee couldn't identify the plant either, but he was willing to part with the entire floating array for $1.50. Although I had told myself (and others) I would never again impulse buy a Mystery Plant, I buckled. Unable to identify this on my own, I submit it for assistance here (NOTE: The Mystery Plant is still somewhat intertwined with the Hornwort, so that there is no confusion about the finer needlelike leaves throughout the background of this image):

http://www.tropicalfishkeeping.com/m...lant-21536.jpg

Thanks to the forum as always for your consideration and assistance. And if I've not already thoroughly browned my nose, a parting thank you in advance to Byron, as my experience suggests he'll be among the first to lend a hand!

Byron 01-24-2012 12:26 PM

Taking the last photo first, I think that is Heteranthera zosterifolia, commonly called Brazilian Stargrass. It is a bit of a tangled mess in the photo, so I can't be certain, but this seems likely.

The previous plant we tried to identify previously, another member suggested Shinnersia rivularis but I think the leaf margins on your plant are too serrated for this plant. I got side-tracked previously and never hunted it down, sorry about that. I still say it is very familiar... the leaf reminds me of the emersed leaf of Hygrophila difformis, that may be all. Will try to track this down.

This is a lovely aquascape, very well done.

Byron.

Geomancer 01-24-2012 12:34 PM

The first mystery plant I would have to say is Wisteria. It looks exactly like what I have in my tank right now. At least, it was sold by Petsmart in their plastic tubes and labeled as Wisteria ;)

I've noticed the exact same thing too. The old leaves curl up and die, and the new growth has those jagged leaves. Mine isn't growing that fast (I have fairly low light) but I'll have to take a picture for comparison.

From what I've read, they need fairly decent light, and if you have lower light it isn't uncommon for the lower part of the stem to have its leaves drop off and only keep leaves at the top.

Of the photos I have uploaded already all I could find is a shot of the old growth. I'll try to remember to take a top down picture to show the new growth that looks just like what you got.

http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q...n/wisteria.jpg

onemanswarm 01-24-2012 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Byron (Post 961790)
Taking the last photo first, I think that is Heteranthera zosterifolia, commonly called Brazilian Stargrass. It is a bit of a tangled mess in the photo, so I can't be certain, but this seems likely.

The previous plant we tried to identify previously, another member suggested Shinnersia rivularis but I think the leaf margins on your plant are too serrated for this plant. I got side-tracked previously and never hunted it down, sorry about that. I still say it is very familiar... the leaf reminds me of the emersed leaf of Hygrophila difformis, that may be all. Will try to track this down.

This is a lovely aquascape, very well done.

Byron.

First of all, thank you very much for the complimentary words about the aquascape. Praise from Caesar! Second, I think you're right on with the Brazilian Stargrass. I poked around a bit and the descriptions of a very thin and fragile stem are right on. Representative pics on other sites look significantly fuller, but I've only had this a week. I isolated and planted a small stem if this helps:

http://www.tropicalfishkeeping.com/m...nted-21542.jpg

The few profiles I did find made very little mention of using this as a floating plant. Any thoughts?

onemanswarm 01-24-2012 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Geomancer (Post 961799)
The first mystery plant I would have to say is Wisteria. It looks exactly like what I have in my tank right now. At least, it was sold by Petsmart in their plastic tubes and labeled as Wisteria ;)

I've noticed the exact same thing too. The old leaves curl up and die, and the new growth has those jagged leaves. Mine isn't growing that fast (I have fairly low light) but I'll have to take a picture for comparison.

From what I've read, they need fairly decent light, and if you have lower light it isn't uncommon for the lower part of the stem to have its leaves drop off and only keep leaves at the top.

Of the photos I have uploaded already all I could find is a shot of the old growth. I'll try to remember to take a top down picture to show the new growth that looks just like what you got.

http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q...n/wisteria.jpg

Thanks for the great suggestion. I think you may be onto something here as I did purchase this as an unlabeled "Loose Plant" at Petco during a Buy2-Get1 deal. To my admittedly untrained eye, this image seems very similar to the one I posted in my original thread. I'll look forward to comparing the top-down view when you have a chance to snap that shot! Then I guess the real question remains: Did Petsmart label the plant correctly? Hey, at least they labeled it! That's a step up from my purchase!

onemanswarm 01-24-2012 02:01 PM

Did a quick Google search for Wisteria and the images look almost nothing like our samples, with the exception of one:

http://www.fishpondinfo.com/photos/o...s/wisteria.jpg

Byron 01-24-2012 02:15 PM

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The Hygrophila difformis I mentioned as possible earlier is the same Wisteria, just so we are all thinking the same.:-) It does bear a resemblance as I mentioned. But the initial photo way back doesn't look like any I've seen of this plant.:question:

I think the Heteranthera zosterifolia is correct. Here are some photos.

ksacres 01-24-2012 02:24 PM

I also agree that the fist is a form of Water Wisteria. It's highly variable, and even cuttings from one plant when moved can look far different, but that's what my Wisteria looked like as emersed grown plants, which is likely what you purchased.

I would also add that najas guadalupensis is a possibility for the second plant. Also called Najas Grass or Guppy Grass. It is far more common than stargrass, though I'm no expert on plants.

onemanswarm 01-24-2012 02:26 PM

That does look like a spot on match! I love the look of the Heteranthera zosterifolia when it fills in. I also love how it looks floating, and since that's the larger need for my tank inhabitants, I'd prefer to leave it that way rather than plant it. Am I okay to leave it at the surface, and would you recommend that I free it from the "tangled mess" it's become?

onemanswarm 01-24-2012 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by ksacres (Post 961906)
I also agree that the fist is a form of Water Wisteria. It's highly variable, and even cuttings from one plant when moved can look far different, but that's what my Wisteria looked like as emersed grown plants, which is likely what you purchased.

I would also add that najas guadalupensis is a possibility for the second plant. Also called Najas Grass or Guppy Grass. It is far more common than stargrass, though I'm no expert on plants.

Thank you ksacres!

We seem to have consensus that MP#1 is some form of Water Wisteria, specifically the emersed form of Hygrophila difformis. I'll read up on Wisteria in the profiles.

A quick Google search for najas guadalupensis does suggest a plant very similar to the one I have. Unfortunately, my untrained eye can't tell the difference between the Najas and the Stargrass. Any idea how care might differ between the two?


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