cordon's natural ick cure
so i have a 36 planted with shrimp, cores, a cherry barb and neons. i relized i had ich a week ago and started treating with this product yesterday. i removed the carbon from my filter and used the full dosage. today a neon died and my nitrite is at 2 ppm and my nitrate is at 40 ppm. yesterday i did a 75 percent water change. what is causing this and will the medication not work at all or just work slower if i put my carbon back in? i don't want my shrimp to die.
If you are referencing Kordon's Ich-Attack I am at the tail end of an Ich treatment using that and the heat method with no losses so far *fingers crossed*. I'm not too sure how much effect the Kordon's had on the treatment though since I was also doing heat. The bottle says it can take up to 5 weeks for severe infections which leads me to believe that when it does work it works slowly. I don't think I would try it solo though due to the longer treatment cycle. You will want to keep the carbon removed throughout the treatment cycle. A week going by before starting treatment is tough, most likely the fish was already on it's way out before you started the Ich-Attack.
How long has the tank been setup? Is it cycled? Planted? With a properly cycled tank you shouldn't of seen your nitrite spike up unless you damaged the beneficial bacteria. Did you do a massive gravel vac or just siphon out some water? 75% is a large water change though, especially if you tore up the substrate and removed the filter medium in the process. What are your readings out of the tap?
The way I treated my Ich (caught it very early) was 10% water changes daily, increased heat to 86 (over the course of 2 days, going very slow to watch for signs of stress) and dosed Ich-Attach twice a day for the first 4 days and now I'm down to once a day.
To summarize Ich is nearly untreatable in it's visible form (spots on the fish) it is treated when it falls off and free floats. You will not notice a difference in one day as depending on your temp the visible phase could last a few days. I have tetra/rasbora/catfish/gourami/shrimp in my tank and they all made it through the heat and Ich-Attack.
The fact that you realized a week ago that you had ich and only started treating yesterday may mean it is already too late.
No you should not run carbon while medicating. Raise the temperature in the tank and keep medicating. Raising the temperature can cause the ich parasite to completes it's life cycle quicker.
Sorry I just re-read your post and you are planted, depending on your plants and how many you probably shouldn't of seen an increase in your nitrites. Could of been a fluke in the test results? How did you get the 2ppm reading?
I would slowly increase your temp 1 degree every hour until you get to 86 degrees. 85 is when Ich can not reinfect fish so it basically will multiply then swim around looking for a host and die in a couple days after it doesn't find one. At 86 Ich stops reproducing further quickening the eradication. Keep up with the Kordon's, it didn't hurt my tank any so *shouldn't* do any harm. How much extra good it's doing I have no idea.
Another thing I did was cover the tank for 10-12 hours a day with a blanket to really relax the fish. Keep their stress down as much as possible. It will help them fight off any other illness. Ich itself is rarely fatal, it's when it goes untreated and the immune system weakens then preceding infections from the open wounds/damage to skin take hold, or if it gets into their gills, they can die from suffocation, hence the reason to catch and treat early. Hate to say it but a week is a long time, like Tazman said, it may be too late for many of them.
well i noticed it on the cherry barb 6 days ago. it progressively got worse but didn't spread to any other fish. then i did research after a day or two and figured out its dorm ate form was about to hatch and take over. i did wait a little long, though i couldn't treat it with shrimp and plants though.
tank is cycled with a ruben sword, dwarf sag, ligugia, hydrilla, red tiger lotus. red cherry shrimp, amona shrimp, yellow shrimp, orange sunset shrimp. i did gravel the substrate for the first time ever yesterday as it was recommended by my research saying the format icy could be in it. that may of done it. tank is cycled and running for almost 3 months. will up the heat though..
but do u think the shrimp and cores can handle it?
My shrimp and Catfish handled it just fine. Make sure to take it slow on the temp adjustment. I went from 78 to 86 over 36 hours and monitored them during the change. I did a TON of research on this very recently and the heat method is the lesser of all evils when it comes to plants and inverts. Like I said I'm not sure if the Kordon's worked or not as I believe the heat treatment did most of it for me. The Kordon's probably helped weaken the Ich up and/or protect the fish in some way but I can't state that for sure, just a vauge assumption.
All I can say is from my personal very recent (still treating) experience the heat method with adding Kordon's gave noticable results in a couple of days and all but a few spots on one fish were gone by the 6th day. I'm still keeping the heat up right now to let any remaining Ich die from not being able to find a host and reproduce. And most importantly I had ZERO loss of fish or shrimp. A couple plants didn't make it but they were high light and I figured they wouldn't make it in my low light setup anyway.
Oh also, I have 10 ghost shrimp so I can only vouche for them making it through the heat, not sure about how heat tollerant / hardy the ones you have are. I still think it's your best shot though. Ich won't "run it's course" you have to treat it somehow and using Kordon's alone could take weeks and you are already a few steps behind.
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