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FranklinS 01-23-2012 08:03 AM

Cardinal Tetra Amazon Tank ?
 
So I figured to go with a planted tank. It has been 30 years since I had a tank. I do have an well established reef tank with SPS etc but I am a complete novice with FW panted and am just realizing the dept of my ignorance.
I have a 57 gal tank that I will use:

The canopy in the last pic will be mounted about 1 1/2 ft. over the tank and wiring run into garage.
http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/g...a/DSC_0006.jpg

http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/g...uild/Build.jpg

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Byron 01-23-2012 01:05 PM

Welcome to Tropical Fish Keeping forum.

Goodness, some of you are so good with building attractive stands and hoods.:-) Unlike me.

You haven't asked any specific questions, so I'll just offer a suggestion or two, from someone with a room full of planted South American aquaria. Many (but not all) of us here follow the natural or low-tech method, and if that interests you, have a read of the series "A Basic Approach to the Natural Planted Aquarium" stickied at the head of the Aquarium Plant section. I'm assuming you have, or intend to have, soft water, essential for cardinal tetra.

Don't hesitate to ask questions, everyone here is very helpful.

Byron.

Maxillius 01-23-2012 01:23 PM

If I could suggest something also the emplacement might not be the best since its aside a door (temperature and braking hazard) and the window right aside witch lets sunlight in the aquarium might lead to algae problem and maybe temperature too. So just a few suggestions, aside from that nice work on the stand!
and welcome to TFK !
Max

FranklinS 01-23-2012 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Byron (Post 960747)
Welcome to Tropical Fish Keeping forum.

Goodness, some of you are so good with building attractive stands and hoods.:-) Unlike me.

You haven't asked any specific questions, so I'll just offer a suggestion or two, from someone with a room full of planted South American aquaria. Many (but not all) of us here follow the natural or low-tech method, and if that interests you, have a read of the series "A Basic Approach to the Natural Planted Aquarium" stickied at the head of the Aquarium Plant section. I'm assuming you have, or intend to have, soft water, essential for cardinal tetra.

Don't hesitate to ask questions, everyone here is very helpful.

Byron.

Thanks Byron! I have read your sticky. Good read! Still new to FW and getting water parameters down.

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Originally Posted by Maxillius (Post 960760)
If I could suggest something also the emplacement might not be the best since its aside a door (temperature and braking hazard) and the window right aside witch lets sunlight in the aquarium might lead to algae problem and maybe temperature too. So just a few suggestions, aside from that nice work on the stand!
and welcome to TFK !
Max

Thanks! I have a door stop on the door hinges so the door can never come in contact with the tank/stand. My house has an efficient central hybrid heat pump and my climate is fairly moderate so I think my temp should be OK. The window is north exposed and shaded by a porch. I live close to the 45degree latitude. I can always add a curtain If it looks like I am getting too much light. I like keeping things simple but I may add a UV light which I can take offline.

Just ordered a piece of manzanita. It is 30 X 16 X 16 going in a 36 X 18 X 20 tank. A little big and may dwarf the Cardinals but it has a nice look. It still irks me that I have lived my whole life on the west coast and manzanita is considered a pest and most people would pay you to have it removed. Still I like the piece!

http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/g.../Manzanita.jpg

dieseldoc 01-23-2012 09:25 PM

I have to agree with Maxillius about the placement. More so with the possible breakage that could occur. All of my doors in my house have the same type of stops I can see in your picture. Those stops have had a tendancy to break in my house. Also the doors flex to a point so the adjustment and how the door is opened will be crucial. I would think you will be alright if you have strictly adults in the house who know how to open a door unlike my house where I have small grand children running in and out 7 days a week. Being a wood worker myself and having built my own stand among alot of other stuff I think for an added measure of safety I would add a third door stop with this one being on the stand itself. It may look a little tacky but I would prefer that over fish flopping around on the floor covered in 57 gallons of water. Just some food for thought and you can take it for what it is worth.
That is some nice cabinetry work you have done as well.

FranklinS 01-23-2012 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by dieseldoc (Post 961296)
I have to agree with Maxillius about the placement. More so with the possible breakage that could occur. All of my doors in my house have the same type of stops I can see in your picture. Those stops have had a tendancy to break in my house. Also the doors flex to a point so the adjustment and how the door is opened will be crucial. I would think you will be alright if you have strictly adults in the house who know how to open a door unlike my house where I have small grand children running in and out 7 days a week. Being a wood worker myself and having built my own stand among alot of other stuff I think for an added measure of safety I would add a third door stop with this one being on the stand itself. It may look a little tacky but I would prefer that over fish flopping around on the floor covered in 57 gallons of water. Just some food for thought and you can take it for what it is worth.
That is some nice cabinetry work you have done as well.

Thanks dieseldoc! Originally I built the stand for a reef system so it is high. The knob touches (hits) the stand before it can reach the glass. I have had a few gal. on the floor and it ain't fun.
I really want to do an ATO and an automatic water change on it but I am used to reef systems that have a sump as a safety valve for accidents. I was thinking of a sump but having a planted tank with floating plants, fish might make it too dangerous. I am going to have to drill glass holes for returns from the canister and the intake. Now thinking about the automatic water change using a peristalic pump and the holes that need to be drilled. Last thing I want to do is find out that I need to drill more holes after water is in it.
Thinking of going with a 2217 Eheim canister filter and backing off the flow.
This is starting to get to be fun! So much to learn in freshwater!

bigfish93 01-23-2012 10:12 PM

Before you drill those holes, I just wanted to let you know that the Eheim canister filters just go over the top of the tank. This is true with all canister filters I believe. As far as the ATO, I don't think you are going to need it. Very little evaporation occurs in the FW planted tanks because there is no sump and minimal light is used. This means that the water is not exposed to the air as much and the lights give off very little heat. You will find that FW planted tanks require a fraction of the equipment that reef tanks need, but are just as rewarding. The stand looks great, my only question is, are you going to have doors to access the canister filter? Can't wait to follow the progress of your tank.

FranklinS 01-23-2012 11:49 PM

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Originally Posted by bigfish93 (Post 961366)
Before you drill those holes, I just wanted to let you know that the Eheim canister filters just go over the top of the tank. This is true with all canister filters I believe. As far as the ATO, I don't think you are going to need it. Very little evaporation occurs in the FW planted tanks because there is no sump and minimal light is used. This means that the water is not exposed to the air as much and the lights give off very little heat. You will find that FW planted tanks require a fraction of the equipment that reef tanks need, but are just as rewarding. The stand looks great, my only question is, are you going to have doors to access the canister filter? Can't wait to follow the progress of your tank.

Thanks Bigfish! I am going to drill the glass because it is a rimless tank and I want to keep it clean. The wall behind the tank goes to my garage and I will plumb the canister and auto water change to the garage. I can see your point about the water evaporation. I am used to running big, hot lighting, I guess. I will be running dimming LED's in the canopy and the heat should be minimal. I do have an Exotech and Rapid Par 38 bulbs, but I think that for a planted tank they would be too much, even mounted 1 1/2-3 feet above the water?

MinaMinaMina 01-24-2012 01:22 AM

I have nothing useful to add, I just wanted to say how much I LOVE THAT DRIFTWOOD! It is completely and utterly perfect for the tank. I'm very jealous! And you have an excellent eye for scale and movement, in my opinion. Perfect choice!

Edit to say- I'm also jealous of the wonderful things you can do with plants in a rimless, open air tank. I've always wanted to do that. Plants emerging from the water, especially flowering plants, add an unparrelled dimension. Use it to your advantage!

FranklinS 01-24-2012 04:42 AM

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Originally Posted by MinaMinaMina (Post 961518)
I have nothing useful to add, I just wanted to say how much I LOVE THAT DRIFTWOOD! It is completely and utterly perfect for the tank. I'm very jealous! And you have an excellent eye for scale and movement, in my opinion. Perfect choice!

Edit to say- I'm also jealous of the wonderful things you can do with plants in a rimless, open air tank. I've always wanted to do that. Plants emerging from the water, especially flowering plants, add an unparrelled dimension. Use it to your advantage!

Now you did it, Mina! You got me thinking. When I was going to set this up as a marine tank I was going to to have live rock come out of the water and plant a mangrove with semi terrestrial crabs that could come out on the rock.
The wood only comes up 16 inches and my rim is 20 inches. The wood would need to come up at least 4 or more inches above the water to look good. I really kind of put the idea of emerging out of the water away. Now you have re-awakened the idea. I might be able to build a shelf to raise it and/or tilt it? It hasn't been shipped yet. When it arrives I will post photos of it in the tank in different positions and you can give me your feedback?


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