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ckmclements 11-01-2007 04:10 PM

Trouble getting pH lowered
We have a 60 gallon freshwater tank that we have been running for almost a month. Currently the only fish in the tank are 3 dwarf gouramis and 2 platies (there was 1 more dwarf gourami until Tuesday, but he went to the great fishtank in the sky. Otherwise, definitely not overloading the biologicals). We have not added any fish or decorations (except 1 fake plant) in at least a couple of weeks. Our pH level was running a little high, so we used the commercial pH down product (strictly by the directions) for 3 days, as recommended by our resident fish person. The pH is still running high, around 7.8. The fish do not seem to be perturbed in any way and are doing their little fishy things as usual. Is there any reason we couldn't add another couple of fish and see what happens? Any suggestions on getting the pH down, or do we even really need to worry about it. Every other parameter is testing great.

herefishy 11-01-2007 07:13 PM

There a buffers on the market that you can buy. I personally use RO water, softening pillows in my poower/canister filters, and elodea, as it does feed through its leaves and does take some of the minerals from the water.

jesus villaseņo 11-05-2007 02:14 PM

do not hesitate, use PROPER PH FROM AQUARIUM PHARMACEUTICALS, it is the easiest way to go. read the instruction very carefully and you will no longer have any trouble with the ph again. try it.

JouteiMike 11-05-2007 02:42 PM

It is best to just leave the pH be, and NOT use chemicals to try and alter it. The fish will adjust to is better to leave it constant than to keep adjusting it, causing more strain and stress on the fish. Lowering pH with chemicals and RO water is an uphill battle in my opinion.

For natural ways to try and lower, use peat-moss in your filter, or add bog/drift wood decorations.

mgamer20o0 11-06-2007 01:41 AM

i 100% agree with JouteiMike. playing with the ph will just cause more harm then good.

jesus villaseņo 11-11-2007 02:52 PM

i definitely don't agree with JouteiMike. And i think mgamer 20o0 is wrong too. If you use RO water and this chemical called proper ph in the right ph range that you desire you will achieve what aquarists are for. our target is to have a better aquarium and not to leave it alone and see what happens. What is that? ok i got a tank, water , fish and thats all? no, that is not the way to go. If you have calcareous gravel, and you want an acidic ph, sthen you must sremove it and use a silica gravel for example, the use of peat is ok, but even that is not enough, sit could make your tank water too acid, the use of bogwood is ok, but bogwood alone will not keep acid ph, so the best way to do so is buying the product i said. i have been keeping an amazon type tank for over 25 years without any problems in ph.

mgamer20o0 11-11-2007 06:16 PM

lol..... if you want to mess with your ph there are far better ways then those products. ph swing is more stressful for fish then a stable one that might be a little higher.

Falina 11-11-2007 08:58 PM

I strongly advise against using any chemicals to lower your ph. I personally don't think that you need to lower it but if you do you are best to do it naturally using bogwood etc. Having a stable ph is far more important than having your ph at any specific value. Using chemicals to lower or increase your ph usually leads to instabilities which are very stressful on the fish and can kill them.

As a side note, platties and any other livebearer thrive in high ph of 7.5-8.

jesus villaseņo 11-14-2007 01:46 PM

i will go to the point. fish need a specific ph to thrive and not to just survive. by using ro water with proper ph ins the right ph range wiil give the electrolytes neccesaries for the well being of the fish. i do nsot know why you guys keep fighting against propoducts tha have been tested for years. swe are isnto the fishkeeping thing, remember? OTHER PRODUCTS ARE SEACHEM NEUTRAL REGULATOR (PH 7) DISCUS BUFFER, ACID BUFFER, ETC. I HAVE BEEN USING CHEMICALS DURING ALL MUY HOBBY LIFETIME AND NEVER HAD A PROBLEM, ON THE CONTRARY, AN UPSIDE DOWN CATFISH LIVED IN MY TANK FOR 15 YEARS, AND HAVE A LOT OF ANECDOTES BY KEEPING THE RIGHT PARAMETERS

JouteiMike 11-14-2007 02:29 PM

We're not fighting against anything, we're simply giving our opinions, just like you are.

One of the worst things a new aquarist can do is try to mess with their pH without understanding how it all works and when it is absolutely necessary to do so. By being absolutely necessary, I mean scenarios like keeping Discus or Cichlids, which are more sensitive to the pH. Most other fish can live very well in a WIDE range of pH. When you don't NEED to change the pH (like the situation in this thread), then the best thing to do is not mess with is setting you up for something bad to happen, either a skyrocket or a plunge in pH, severely stressing if not killing your fish. Again, many times these are new people to the hobby, and to throw out advise like to add chemicals is the last thing we should be doing...this makes it more complicated, is very risky, makes the hobby less enjoyable, and sets their aquarium up to fail. If the pH is remained constant at a point where the fish can tolerate it, and routine water changes are performed and the environment is kept stable, then the chances of running into a pH problem go waaay down.

So it shouldn't matter if you use chemicals all the time and do not have any problems with it...what matters is the situation in the thread. We are not dealing with cichlids or fish sensitive to pH. We are dealing with gouramis, and platies. So the pH is fine, especially since platies are known to prefer high pH.

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