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chuckd92 12-22-2011 09:15 PM

New to site, about to setup new tank, quick ?
 
I have a 120g tank , 6foot long 22h x 18d, and i want these fish in this order, would they all be ok together given the size of the tank and all put in at the same time? and not outgrow the tank in the future?

Clown Trigger
Dogface puffer
Miniatus Grouper
Koran Angel juvenile
Yellow Tank

all small to start with, with 150lbs of live rock,
have wet/dry filter, and any suggestions on protein filter and or any other filter i should look into for this setup?

Thanks for any info

aquakid 12-22-2011 10:57 PM

slam onthe breaks there. cant rush perfection. have you cycled the tank and have everything running?
what about lights?
do you plan to add others?
etc?

Reefing Madness 12-22-2011 11:27 PM

No on the Grouper, Minimum tank size recommend is 180. No on the Koran, minimum tank size is 250g. If you figure that the Trigger alone is going to get 1foot 8inches, thats pretty big for a 125g tank. But the Clown Trigger,Dogface Puffer and Yellow Tang will do ok together. But once they are to size, there is not going to be much room for anyting else in there.
For a Skimmer, I would be looking for one rated at 250g, because of the size and eating habits of those fish in general. Reef Octopus, Deltec, SWC. Few of the best out there. Going to need at least 1250gph worth of powerheads to move water in there for you, use 2 650-700gph powerheads.

chuckd92 12-23-2011 07:10 AM

Thanks, ive been reading about it and they say 1inch of fish per gallon of water, so to me thats about 100 inches of fish, but i know the trigger is suppose to be the biggest at 18-20inches, dogfish is about 13inches, this grouper was suppose to be around 15inches, Tang 8 inches and angelfish around 15inches so i well bellow that stat, i would be ok without the angel, i would like to keep a grouper but between those 3 they eat alot and are messy. So keeping just the 3 would be good with this tank? Ive been getting conflicting reports on how big they get and tank size, most sites say my 125g would be fine, but then i have other sites saying over 200g?? not sure which one to believe, so thanks

and no i havent started anything, my brother had a freshwater setup a few years ago but his tank has been in his basement dry and covered, so i am redoing my basement and made a spot in the wall for this tank, trying to get everything lined up to get it running properly with the fish i want.

Thanks for the feed back,, ill keep posted when i get it up and running with some pics

Reefing Madness 12-23-2011 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by chuckd92 (Post 928445)
Thanks, ive been reading about it and they say 1inch of fish per gallon of water, so to me thats about 100 inches of fish, but i know the trigger is suppose to be the biggest at 18-20inches, dogfish is about 13inches, this grouper was suppose to be around 15inches, Tang 8 inches and angelfish around 15inches so i well bellow that stat, i would be ok without the angel, i would like to keep a grouper but between those 3 they eat alot and are messy. So keeping just the 3 would be good with this tank? Ive been getting conflicting reports on how big they get and tank size, most sites say my 125g would be fine, but then i have other sites saying over 200g?? not sure which one to believe, so thanks

and no i havent started anything, my brother had a freshwater setup a few years ago but his tank has been in his basement dry and covered, so i am redoing my basement and made a spot in the wall for this tank, trying to get everything lined up to get it running properly with the fish i want.

Thanks for the feed back,, ill keep posted when i get it up and running with some pics

Just doin the math in my head, and you do realize that at almost 2 feet, the Trigger is taking up 1/3 of that 6' tank when full grown. ? Just food for thought. What most are not good at pointing out is, that at a certain tank size, they should give you the minimum length, instead of the gallon. Most fish don't move much of the up and down space, its the back and forth that makes the difference.

chuckd92 12-23-2011 02:34 PM

Yes i am thinking that trigger is going to be too big for the tank, thats why i am asking ?s about it... how many fish or inches of fish i can put in the tank, dont want a reef tank yet, might have to reconsider the fish that will work with this tank, maybe the puffer, a purple tang, and a smaller trigger would go well... i have about 2months before my basement is finished and i can start to setup the tank and cycle it, so i have about 3 months before fish or more..

THanks

Reefing Madness 12-23-2011 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by chuckd92 (Post 928616)
Yes i am thinking that trigger is going to be too big for the tank, thats why i am asking ?s about it... how many fish or inches of fish i can put in the tank, dont want a reef tank yet, might have to reconsider the fish that will work with this tank, maybe the puffer, a purple tang, and a smaller trigger would go well... i have about 2months before my basement is finished and i can start to setup the tank and cycle it, so i have about 3 months before fish or more..

THanks

Those fish are a better fit for you. But if you plan on a Reef down the road, the Dogface will not work. The Tang is ok, and depending on which Trigger you get. Pink Tail Triggers are ok, I have one in mine. He just likes my snails.

chuckd92 12-23-2011 04:01 PM

I did look over the fish again and i cant go with the clown trigger, but can i put in 4 fish about 10inches each in this 120g tank???

V-Tail Grouper 11inches Max Size
DogFace Puffer 13inches Max Size
Tennenti Tang 9 inches max size
and one of these triggers, HumuPicasso, Undulate, or Bursa Trigger
between 10 -12 inch Max size

So 45 Inches of fish for a 120g tank, I will get the right filtration that i need, 150lbs of live rock, and throw in a small cleaning crew which might be eaten by my fish, or should i bag the grouper and just go with the other 3??

Ive read about a AQUA IONIZERthat is suppose to replace a protien skimmer, every read about it??? Sound like a good thing with alot of good feedback for most users,, still researching...

Thanks for your help

onefish2fish 12-23-2011 04:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chuckd92 (Post 928445)
Thanks, ive been reading about it and they say 1inch of fish per gallon of water, so to me thats about 100 inches of fish, but i know the trigger is suppose to be the biggest at 18-20inches, dogfish is about 13inches, this grouper was suppose to be around 15inches, Tang 8 inches and angelfish around 15inches so i well bellow that stat, i would be ok without the angel, i would like to keep a grouper but between those 3 they eat alot and are messy. So keeping just the 3 would be good with this tank? Ive been getting conflicting reports on how big they get and tank size, most sites say my 125g would be fine, but then i have other sites saying over 200g?? not sure which one to believe, so thanks

and no i havent started anything, my brother had a freshwater setup a few years ago but his tank has been in his basement dry and covered, so i am redoing my basement and made a spot in the wall for this tank, trying to get everything lined up to get it running properly with the fish i want.

Thanks for the feed back,, ill keep posted when i get it up and running with some pics


there is no inch per gallon rule with a saltwater tank and with freshwater thats a mere guideline. still, 100 one inch goldfish would be a crowded tank, same goes for one 100 inch goldfish. see what i mean?
now with saltwater your rock displaces a fair amount of room, not to mention the territories each fish will create.
seeing as this will be in the wall, thinking long term is a must ( it should be setting up a saltwater tank anyways )

please share more about your plans. is this going to have an access room behind the tank for feeding and maintnance?
i suggest looking into glass-holes overflows, DIY sumps and the NJ reefers club.

onefish2fish 12-23-2011 04:16 PM

i strongly suggest a quality skimmer and not much else for filtration. a carbon and/or phosban reactor and that should do it.

other "filters" would be a RO/DI filter for making fresh RO water, or a UV sterilizer on a QT tank, i personally may even run one on a FOWLR, but i always go reef :wink:

no other filters needed. canister filters, hang on filters, bio wheels, bio balls, or even not enough flow will cause nutrients to build up allowing them to break down causing algae issues.


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