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SeaHorse 12-09-2011 10:42 AM

More bad advice from a LFS Grrrrr!!
 
On the advice of my LFS, to control algae I purchased a Flying Fox.... now 2 inches long. :frustrated:
Common name: Siamese algae eater, Siamese flying fox, Flying fox, Siamese fox
Apparently there is a False version too...
It was to be the algae eater for my 10 gallon Quaranteen tank. Of course it is not doing it's job and the more I read the less I see that they eat Algae.
So considering the current list of fish in my 75 gallon, and that a couple of site's are saying that they are territorial to their own kind, and one site says also not a good community fish... can I move this to my 75 gallon? I do not wish to harm my 2 chubby little Otto's both 1 1/2 inches long, or my 8 Cory's.
Looks like it might have to go back to the store next trip? It's an hour away so I have to plan it right.
Thanks for any input.

Quantum 12-09-2011 03:06 PM

The common name 'Flying Fox' usually refers to Epalzeorhynchos kalopterus. It is similar in appearance to the true Siamese Algae Eater (Crossocheilus langei) and the list of common name shows that they are often confused. Try to determine which you have, as it may make a difference whether you want to keep it or not.


I made the mistake of buying a E. kalopterus once. It was very belligerent (similar I suppose to its cousin Epalzeorhynchos bicolor - Red Tail Shark) and I had to get rid of it. I don't think it eats algae at all and my guess is that it would pester corys and ottos (and others) a great deal. I've never had a true SAE. I believe they are less problematic but would need to be kept in groups rather than singly.

Mikaila31 12-09-2011 08:58 PM

Quantum got it right. Flying fox, false SAE, true SAE are all different species. More so each species tends to be randomly labeled these names. Basically you need to know how to tell them apart if you ever want to get a specific one. A true SAE is a very good algae eater and looks very very similar to the flying fox.

this is helpful for IDing

SeaHorse 12-09-2011 09:22 PM

Thank you both very much. Just as I thought. Great article to read Mikaila thanks!! I will take a very good look at it tomorrow under better light and let you know what I discover. OMG the three different fish all look so much a like. And I'll have to peer thru the algae he has not been eating... lol.

Mikaila31 12-10-2011 01:17 AM

Yeah they do look a lot alike, but once you familiarize yourself with them they are not very hard to ID. Flying fox has lateral stripe through the tail fin along with color on the other fins. Both true and false SAE have no color on the fins. True SAE is the most dull looking fish out of all 3, lateral stripe extends into tail fin. The false SAE has no stripe extending into the tail fin and more noticeable coloration above the lateral line. You can get a lot more technical like in that article, but when I am at shops I always just go by the strip and if all the fins have color or not.

There are more then just those 3 species too. That article lists at least 5, though one is the CAE and pretty easy to ID. The false SAE can be more then one species.... too add to the confusion its not uncommon to see mixed batches of these fish in shops sold under one name or the other:roll:.

SeaHorse 12-15-2011 12:25 PM

Ok so I finally got a good look at it. It is SO skittish with everyone else gone from the tank. It is officially a False Siamese Algae Eater and has NO colouration on the tail at all. It stops right at the start of the tail. That means the store was wrong and it is not a Flying Fox, or an algae eater. Looks like it might be able to go into the 75 gallon? Mikaila would it hurt my Otto's or Cory's? It needs a 20 and it's in my 10 Quarantine.
Thanks. Ps. what is that sweet little creature on your Signature?

Mikaila31 12-15-2011 10:49 PM

I've never had a false one, but I doubt they behave that differently from true ones. At least apart from not eating algae. My True SAE was more or less peaceful. He would chase fish away from algae wafers but was never overly aggressive. One fish can't keep 20 away no matter how hard they try. They also can't guard 2 wafers at once lol.

The fish in my sig is a panda garra (gara flavatra).

Reece 12-16-2011 05:59 PM

I love these daft LFS stories, makes you wonder if some of them should have a job involving fish lol. Luckily at my LFS they usually get it right (well, one bloke there does) but sometimes catastrophically wrong. A good example is when they told me it's ok to have about 4 harlequin rasbora and 4 zebra danio and 4 serpae tetra in my 10 gallon! harleys need a group of 6 min and zebras too, and the tetras obviously nipped eachother frantically because they were distressed by the small space

SeaHorse 12-19-2011 09:49 AM

LOL Reece!! I love when we have enough knowledge to know when they are feeding us a line. I for one wish I could still research before I buy!! My own darn fault!!

Mikaila...is there someone in my list who would be chomping on my new plants in the night? I don't ever see anyone near them... Maybe the swordtails? I keep finding pieces of my new Vals floating and there is definately leaves missing on the other one. rats!!
thanks for all your help!!

Mikaila31 12-19-2011 11:06 AM

not many fish will try to eat a val. I have swords in a tank with vals and they peck at them but never do any real damaged. Have my fish will try to eat my stargrass, but its a very soft plant. They can damage it pretty good but it still outgrows them. I say try because most fish are very poor at digesting live plant matter.


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