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Lupin 10-15-2006 06:37 AM

Hi fellows,

I'd like to see your views on this sticky thread.
Prior to many people disregarding freezing method as they view it as cruel, I have to ask you on what else do you feel humane enough to kill a fish to end any misery after long-term health conditions, etc.

The only humane ways I find so far are use of clove oil/alcohol and decapitation.
The reason decapitation is often suggested is that it will work especially on large fish. You have to do it quickly to make the fish die instantly without struggling. But I can see some people viewing it as inhumane or cruel yet the point there is to end the fish's misery without it struggling from pain as a result of having its spine cut severely.

Freezing will now be considered as inhumane as it is like shoving a fish intentionally in the freezer and left there to die in peace.:dunno:

Any more suggestions and views will be appreciated and we will revise the sticky to make it more informative.
I will not delete the methods of using clove oil, however, as Brie already posted everything about the use of clove oil.:)

Thank you very much.:)

koolman56 10-15-2006 11:23 AM

so your saying that freezing is cruel? i thought that it slowed down the metabolism and they went to "sleep" and never woke back up?

i can see where its sort of cruel but i know of people that boil their fish to death :evil: i guess the clove oil and vodka is sort of more humane but idk.

So we shouldnt freeze fish to euthanize them :?:

Swing 10-15-2006 12:36 PM

I don't think i can kill a fish even it is suffering... I'll just let the fish to be as comfortable as possible until it passed away. This is what humans why not to a fish.. I think this is more humane than any method us mentioned.

joeshmoe 10-15-2006 12:49 PM

i go with swing on this one

dprUsh83 10-15-2006 01:03 PM

There are times that my oscar won't finish a goldfish off, and I view it as suffering if it is beat up for a couple of days. It doesn't happen often, but when it does I euthanize the fish via freezing. I stick it in a fish bowl with plenty of room to swim and stick it in a large deep freeze. I'd be interested in hearing any ways that make it better for the fish, though.

Rebecca 10-15-2006 01:43 PM

Not to be totally heartless or anything, but we have to keep in mind that fish also aren't people. We can give people morphine and drugs to keep them comfortable until death, but you can't do that for fish. It is better to end their suffering quickly and as painlessly as possible rather than let them die a slow death, especially if they are in pain. Personally, I think freezing isn't too inhumane. After all, even with humans the effect is that you get sleepy, close your eyes, and never open them again. I think the vodka/cloves method is also a pretty good way, since you're putting the fish to sleep. It's like euthanizing your dog when it is too far gone to help and in pain. It's far crueler to keep them alive in that condition than to let them go to sleep and not wake up.

Honestly, there really isn't a black-and-white solution to things like this. You could call it deciding which is the lesser of two evils. :(

joeshmoe 10-15-2006 01:46 PM

i dout they have clove oil in the wild :wink: and how do we realy know that there feeling pain? were not fish we dont no

dprUsh83 10-15-2006 04:06 PM

I think it has something to do with the fact that they have no nerve endings, am I right?

Another question I have is, what is this vodka method?

Amphitrite 10-15-2006 04:10 PM

If you think about it, fish must have nerve endings.

Otherwise they wouldn't flick against objects when they have whitespot.

jsm11482 10-15-2006 06:18 PM

I didn't read the whole thing but here is an article stating that fish do feel pain:

Also, the clove/vodka method is here:

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