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alexberea 11-17-2011 02:30 PM

Many Dropsy deaths
 
Guys, 5 of my fishes have died of Dropsy, 1 Colissa and 4 Tiger Barbs,

Please, but please help, details below:

1. Size of tank?
240 Liters (approx 65 gal)

2. Water parameters
a. Ammonia?
b. Nitrite?
c. Nitrate?
d. pH, KH and GH?
e. Test kit?

3. Temperature?

26

4. FW (fresh water) or BW (brackish)?
FW

5. How long the aquarium has been set up?
Mid2009

6. What fish do you have? How many are in your tank? How big are they? How long have you had them?
3 Pangasius (2.5 years)
1 Tiger Barb
1 Colisa
2 Gouramies (1F Honey, 1M Blue)

7. Were the fish placed under quarantine period (minus the first batch from the point wherein the tank is ready to accommodate the inhabitants)?
No

8. a. Any live plants? Fake plants?
Fake, 4-5

b. Sand, gravel, barebottom?
Azoo Gravel (with piping, but the system was dismantled about 1 year ago)

c. Rocks, woods, fancy decors? Any hollow decors?
1 Resine ship.

9. a. Filtration?
Acqua Clear 70

b. Heater?
Hagen (don't remember size)

10. a. Lighting schedule? What lights are used?
None

b. Any sunlight exposure? How long?
Indirect for about 3-4hrs
11. a. Water change schedule?
Once Monthly (20%).
Once every 4 months (40%)
b. Volume of water changed?
20%
40%
c. Well water, tap water, RO water?
Tap
d. Water conditioner used?
Aqua safe
e. Frequency of gravel/sand (if any) vacuumed?
Once every 6 months

12. Foods?
How often are they fed?
Tetra, twice daily

13. a. Any abnormal signs/symptoms?
Bloating, pale, pine cone scales, fishing upsidedown.
b. Appearance of poop?
Haven'tnoticed
c. Appearance of gills?
Normal

14. a. Have you treated your fish ahead of diagnosis?
NO
b. What meds were used?

15. Insert photos of fish in question and full tank shot if necessary.

Thank you all.

I am ready to make any changes necessary.

paybackranch 11-21-2011 12:53 PM

First off, you are not changing enough water often enough. Secondly, you need a test kit (ammonia-nitrite-nitrate) so you know what your water parameters are. My guess is that your nitrates are pretty high with Pangasius in the tank. Those are pretty big fish--or certainly can be!!! 2.5 feet long or better! They are a food fish in Vietnam. I am sure that they are cranking out a ton of waste material and with your water changes, your nitrate levels are causing the dropsy. Dropsy is usually a bacterial infection that can be brought on by poor water quality, which you most likely have right now in your tank. Gouramis are very sensitive to water conditions that are not pristine. Adding evaporated water doesn't count. Unless you have a planted tank, you should also be vacuuming the gravel when you do a change.....each week. Don't vacuum the whole thing each time, but do a good size portion one week and then another area the next. You need to be doing at least a 25% water change each week also........more would be better, but start out with 25% initially right now since the fish would be shocked initially with such a sudden change in their water conditions. I would wait a few days and do another 25% water change. Next week start doing at least 25% water changes from that point forward. I personally do 50% water changes every week. Dropsy can be treated if you catch it right away. (Do some internet searches on treatment), but usually once the pine-coning starts, the fish is beyond recovery.

Everyone makes mistakes, so don't beat yourself up too much. I would get a test kit immediately and USE it. Ammonia and nitrite levels always need to be ZERO. Nitrate levels should be under 40 ppm. With my planted tanks, my nitrate levels are usually around 10 ppm.

I hope this helps.......

Cheers,

Melanie

alexberea 11-26-2011 01:25 PM

testing.
 
Melanie,

I had done quite some reading but had absolutely no idea about the threat posed by Pangasius, I will be getting the testing kit right away and take actions.

Thanks a lot for your help, will let you know how this went.

Alex B

Quote:

Originally Posted by paybackranch (Post 899109)
First off, you are not changing enough water often enough. Secondly, you need a test kit (ammonia-nitrite-nitrate) so you know what your water parameters are. My guess is that your nitrates are pretty high with Pangasius in the tank. Those are pretty big fish--or certainly can be!!! 2.5 feet long or better! They are a food fish in Vietnam. I am sure that they are cranking out a ton of waste material and with your water changes, your nitrate levels are causing the dropsy. Dropsy is usually a bacterial infection that can be brought on by poor water quality, which you most likely have right now in your tank. Gouramis are very sensitive to water conditions that are not pristine. Adding evaporated water doesn't count. Unless you have a planted tank, you should also be vacuuming the gravel when you do a change.....each week. Don't vacuum the whole thing each time, but do a good size portion one week and then another area the next. You need to be doing at least a 25% water change each week also........more would be better, but start out with 25% initially right now since the fish would be shocked initially with such a sudden change in their water conditions. I would wait a few days and do another 25% water change. Next week start doing at least 25% water changes from that point forward. I personally do 50% water changes every week. Dropsy can be treated if you catch it right away. (Do some internet searches on treatment), but usually once the pine-coning starts, the fish is beyond recovery.

Everyone makes mistakes, so don't beat yourself up too much. I would get a test kit immediately and USE it. Ammonia and nitrite levels always need to be ZERO. Nitrate levels should be under 40 ppm. With my planted tanks, my nitrate levels are usually around 10 ppm.

I hope this helps.......

Cheers,

Melanie


paybackranch 11-26-2011 01:32 PM

Good luck and post how things go for you. This is a great hobby and you never, ever stop learning!!

Melanie


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