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Ami 11-09-2011 10:59 AM

Noob question for Bolivian rams
 
Hi,
I have a 55G planted tank set up for tetras (pH 7, hardness 75ppm). Most of the substrate is planted, and I don't have any rocks / drigtwood. I was wondering if it is possible to keep a 2-3 Bolivian Rams.

My question is this -- Since the Bolivian rams are cichlids, will I need to create an area with large rocks ? I don't want my dwarf hairgrass (or other plants) to be uprooted. Like other cichlids, do they also scoop out the substrate before they start laying eggs?

Thanks,
Ami

Calmwaters 11-09-2011 01:01 PM

They will not bother your plants like other cichlids, they like a smooth rock or piece of wood to lay eggs on or some times they will make a small depression in the gravel but I do not think it would be enough to uproot your plants as they are much smaller than other cichlids. I think you would be fine to put some in your tank these little guys have a lot of personality.

Jbrofish8 11-09-2011 01:17 PM

If you still have the gourami in the tank I would maybe reconsider. Its not a good idea to put cichlids and gourami together.

Calmwaters 11-09-2011 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Jbrofish8 (Post 888991)
If you still have the gourami in the tank I would maybe reconsider. Its not a good idea to put cichlids and gourami together.

Jbrofish is right I thought since you said it was set up for tetras that was all that was in it.

Byron 11-09-2011 01:36 PM

This species is a substratum spawner; mine always chose a flat rock. I have a couple of these in the aquarium just as part of the aquascape.

Ami 11-09-2011 02:37 PM

Thanks for the info everyone !
I had 4 honey gouramis (1 male, 3 females) and they all died. I got 3 more (1 male, 2 females). 1 of the females died. The remaning female alsways stays at the bottom , almost touching the substrate and hides. She used to come up to eat when it was feeding time, but she doesn't anymore. Although, it may be because the male always chases her.
I was thinking of getting B. rams if the remaining honeys die off. Would a female honey gourami be OK with B. rams? If so, I can transfer the male honey to my 20 gallon and may be I can see the female honey more often. What concerns me is that her tummy looks a somewhat bloated. Thats how the other honeys looked before they died (along with the fact that they stopped eating and hid near the bottom most of the time).

Tha Bizness 11-09-2011 03:14 PM

I will tell you my experience... YMMV.

I have 2 dwarf gourami and 3 bolivian rams among other things in my 29g planted tank. I have gravel substrate, simulated driftwood, and a few flat rocks. All my fish get along (well the 2 male bolivians don't when its breeding time - but thats expected - Normally they hang out on different sides of the tank) and I don't have problems.

My small group of bolivians have bred 3 times since Oct 5. Once on the simulated driftwood and twice on a flat rock. First group of fry I took out and are still living, second group were eaten and the third just hatched a couple days ago.

I do see them pick up gravel and move it. They do create depressions in the gravel around spawing time and they do uproot plants that dont have establised root systems yet. I am switching from fake plants to real so many of my newer plants are the ones that end up floating around mating time. They hang out mostly in the planted sections of the tank and not in the simulated driftwood/cave piece in the center.

This is my favorite tank in the house as the group of bolivians are very interesting to watch.

Ami 11-09-2011 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Tha Bizness (Post 889043)
I will tell you my experience... YMMV.

I have 2 dwarf gourami and 3 bolivian rams among other things in my 29g planted tank. I have gravel substrate, simulated driftwood, and a few flat rocks. All my fish get along (well the 2 male bolivians don't when its breeding time - but thats expected - Normally they hang out on different sides of the tank) and I don't have problems.

My small group of bolivians have bred 3 times since Oct 5. Once on the simulated driftwood and twice on a flat rock. First group of fry I took out and are still living, second group were eaten and the third just hatched a couple days ago.

I do see them pick up gravel and move it. They do create depressions in the gravel around spawing time and they do uproot plants that dont have establised root systems yet. I am switching from fake plants to real so many of my newer plants are the ones that end up floating around mating time. They hang out mostly in the planted sections of the tank and not in the simulated driftwood/cave piece in the center.

This is my favorite tank in the house as the group of bolivians are very interesting to watch.

Thanks for sharing your experience =0) I guess I may be able to get some Bolivian Rams after all.

My tank has been planted since last week of July, so I think they should be well rooted by now. I have a HOB filter and the area under it is somewhat turbulent. However that is the only place with enough space to put a rock. I was wondering if the area where your rams spawned were in a relatively calmer zone of your tank. I guess I can always relocate some of my dwarf hairgrass and put some flat rocks in the area.

Tha Bizness 11-09-2011 05:08 PM

I have a HOB filter on the 29g. The first spawning on the simulated driftwood was just right of the waterfall and in a very exposed area. It did experience some current. The 2nd and 3rd location was on a rock on the substrate. It has a few groups of amazon swords in front and to the side of it breaking up the current.

Ami 11-10-2011 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Tha Bizness (Post 889111)
I have a HOB filter on the 29g. The first spawning on the simulated driftwood was just right of the waterfall and in a very exposed area. It did experience some current. The 2nd and 3rd location was on a rock on the substrate. It has a few groups of amazon swords in front and to the side of it breaking up the current.

Thanks Biz !
I think I know where I'll put some rock and some driftwood on my tank.

My 2nd honey female died last eve...saw it after I came home from work. Couldn't tell if there was anything wrong with it, no scars, fuzziness or sore spots. Oh well, I guess I can't keep honeys. What beats me is that they grew to almost twice the size from when I got 'em and also developed better color...mebbe they were just old (since the local Petsmart has been selling them for 50% off).

I'll look for the Rams.
~Ami


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