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Maxillius 11-01-2011 05:17 PM

Prime?
 
Hi I bought a bottle of prime and its saying it detoxifies ammonia and nitrite i was wondering if it removes the nitrite or if it just renders it harmless to fish? And also if it would break a cycle to put some in my water. thx!

Boredomb 11-01-2011 05:30 PM

I basically turns the ammonia into ammonium which is harmless to fish for up to 32hr ( think some one once said) also think also renders the nitrate and nitrites and makes them harmless for the Sam amount of time. I don't know if it hurt the cycling process though.

AbbeysDad 11-01-2011 06:15 PM

The Seachem documentation indicates that Prime detoxifies ammonia, nitrite and nitrate allowing the bio-filtration to more efficiently remove. There is no indication that the detoxification only lasts xx hours.
Seachem claims it will not negatively affect the cycling process...

Seachem. Prime

Seachem. Prime FAQ

Maxillius 11-01-2011 06:20 PM

Ah I did not think to look on their own web page thank you!
And i was wondering if my test indicates that I have 0 ammonia, 0 nitrite, 10 nitrate does it mean that my aquarium is cycled?
that is after using prime

Boredomb 11-01-2011 06:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AbbeysDad (Post 881415)
The Seachem documentation indicates that Prime detoxifies ammonia, nitrite and nitrate allowing the bio-filtration to more efficiently remove. There is no indication that the detoxification only lasts xx hours.
Seachem claims it will not negatively affect the cycling process...

Seachem. Prime

Seachem. Prime FAQ

Thanks Abbeysdad for clearing that up. I had heard some people say its effects only last a certain time.

Byron 11-02-2011 02:20 PM

Prime effectiveness is limited to 24 hours
 
I contacted Seachem directly a while back concerning the effect of Prime on nitrite, and their response clearly stated that Prime is only effective for 24-48 hours. After this period, the nitrite will again become toxic if it still remains (i.e., has not been handled by bacteria).

Here is the response verbatim from their email:
The nitrite is still completely available for the beneficial bacteria in the bio-filter to consume it. After 24-48 hours, when the Prime is no longer active, if the nitrites are still present and have not been consumed by bacteria, then yes, they will be re-released. Unfortunately, there is not a test kit on the market that will distinguish between the bound form of nitrites and nitrates and the unbound form. So the best option is to continue to add Prime every 48 hours until you are able to get a zero reading for nitrites. Most ammonia test kits out there are the same in that they cannot distinguish between free ammonia and total ammonia, simply giving you one reading for total. This can be misleading, especially when you are trying to cycle a new tank. Both our Multitest: Free and Total Ammonia and our Ammonia Alert, can distinguish between the two, making it much easier to know exactly what is going on inside your aquarium.

AbbeysDad 11-02-2011 04:13 PM

@Byron - thank-you for the clarification - until your post I have not found any Seachem documentation to confirm or deny that Prime was only effective at detoxifying ammonia, nitrite and nitrate for only 24-48 hours. I'll need to pursue further to understand how/why the chemical bond fails in 24-48 hours.

Maxillius 11-02-2011 04:23 PM

Thx you for all the info! that clarifies things!

Byron 11-02-2011 06:43 PM

I see none of us answered your question on the cycle being complete or not. If you read ammonia and nitrite at zero with a reliable test kit (such as the API liquid test) for several consecutive days, and nitrates are showing, then the tank is probably cycled for the present bioload.

chevysoldier 11-02-2011 11:58 PM

Prime is great stuff to use.


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