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chevysoldier 10-16-2011 09:13 PM

Tank setup, Input wanted
 
Okay all. I am setting up my next tank. It is 25 gallons actual water volume; 16.5" tall, 12" deep, 29.25" wide. Single florescent lamp. I'll be using a Fluval 304 Canister as long as it doesn't leak. I know it's overkill for this size but that's what I got. I also have an AquaTop heater and air pump in the mail I got off ebay.

I got this tank and stand from someone online, for free. Before I ask for help,his is what I have done so far...

The board inside the stand had gotten wet and warped. I went ahead and ripped it out, cut a new piece and screwed it down. I wasn't worried about any kind of finish on it since it will be hidden and could easily be replaced again down the line.
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I had cleaned most of the crust of the tank when I got it, but went ahead and cleaned it some more. I also did a nice wash with water and bleach.
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I then used chrome polish to shine the glass, outside only of course. It's amazing how it will shine. You can do this to your car windows too.
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And after wiping it off.
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I had some black poster board left over from when I made a background on my other tank so I went ahead and used it on this one also. One sheet was just a little to short so I needed to cut a small strip from the second sheet. I shoved it up under the plastic around the top of the tank and made it long enough to shove into the plastic at the bottom. I tape the edges of the sheet, you can hardly notice.
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Here's the how it sits now with the filter installed.
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**Now is where I am asking for some input. So far I am thinking I want to try sand substrate. I have never used it before an am a little nervous. But I love the way it looks and want something different. Anything I need to know beforehand? What kind should I use? I was thinking just silica play sand.It seems to settle quickly and not have a lot of debris in it.

I don't know what kind of fish either, but they must not be aggressive as this will be a community tank. I'd like some bottom feeders so might go with one BN Pleco. I have an albino in my other tank and really enjoy him so I was thinking of getting a normal BN Pleco for this tank. I will also move some MTS over to this tank as well. Other than that, I have no idea of what to stock. My PH tends to be about 7.8-8.0. Any ideas?

I don't think this will be planted. I had some Anacharis in my 50 and lost it all. I'm not really up to fertilizing and trying to tend to fish as well as plants. I am open to thoughts as why I should or shouldn't plant.

I will keep this thread updated with progress as I go along but it may be slow. Hope to get some ideas from you all. Thanks!

trombonedemon 10-16-2011 09:36 PM

You have given a some ideas as to a background for my aquarium, havn't found one that I'm liking, so I am gonna creat one.

chevysoldier 10-16-2011 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by trombonedemon (Post 864242)
You have given a some ideas as to a background for my aquarium, havn't found one that I'm liking, so I am gonna creat one.

It's very easy and very cheap to do! Plus I like the black and I think the fish do too. But you could use any color.

zof 10-16-2011 10:47 PM

Just a note, undoubtedly the back of the tank will someday get wet so poster board isn't always the best material as it will stain, but you might be able to still use it if you tape it up really good for a water protector. Best to do it now before you cant get to the back of the tank.

Nice little deal you got there I like the stand.

Byron 10-17-2011 01:27 PM

That is a very nice stand. So far, very good work. Now let's help with your questions.

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**Now is where I am asking for some input. So far I am thinking I want to try sand substrate. I have never used it before an am a little nervous. But I love the way it looks and want something different. Anything I need to know beforehand? What kind should I use? I was thinking just silica play sand.It seems to settle quickly and not have a lot of debris in it.
Sand is nice, especially with substrate fish (corys, loaches, pleco, etc). Avoid silica sand though, the "silica" can cause diatoms in established tanks. Playsand is inert, I now have it in 3 tanks. It is a gray/tan colour, and with minimal light and floating plants, lots of wood/rock, looks very natural. You can see it in the photos of my 115g and 33g tanks [under "Aquariums" tab below my name on the left]. More expensive is aquarium sands like black that can be purchased at some stores or online.

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I don't know what kind of fish either, but they must not be aggressive as this will be a community tank. I'd like some bottom feeders so might go with one BN Pleco. I have an albino in my other tank and really enjoy him so I was thinking of getting a normal BN Pleco for this tank. I will also move some MTS over to this tank as well. Other than that, I have no idea of what to stock. My PH tends to be about 7.8-8.0. Any ideas?
What is your tap water hardness? This will tell us if the pH will remain or lower over time. A high hardness and pH is limiting with respect to fish selection, but if we can expect it to lower it opens up many more choices.

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I don't think this will be planted. I had some Anacharis in my 50 and lost it all. I'm not really up to fertilizing and trying to tend to fish as well as plants. I am open to thoughts as why I should or shouldn't plant.
Unless you end up with fish that eat plants (very few do), there is every reason to have live plants, and no reason not. The benefits can't be understated. And many forest fish absolutely do better with plants, esp floating, and not just because of water stability. I often write that plants are easier than fish, but with both all it takes is an understanding of their requirements. It need not be complicated. Good light (a single tube of the proper spectrum works fine provided you do not decide on high-light requirement plants). Anacharis falls to bits on me, not a good plant in my view, so don't let that colour your view on plants.;-) Have a read of the 4-part sticky at the head of the Aquarium Plants section for background.

Byron.

chevysoldier 10-17-2011 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Byron (Post 864883)
That is a very nice stand. So far, very good work. Now let's help with your questions.

Thanks Byron.



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Sand is nice, especially with substrate fish (corys, loaches, pleco, etc). Avoid silica sand though, the "silica" can cause diatoms in established tanks. Playsand is inert, I now have it in 3 tanks. It is a gray/tan colour, and with minimal light and floating plants, lots of wood/rock, looks very natural. You can see it in the photos of my 115g and 33g tanks [under "Aquariums" tab below my name on the left]. More expensive is aquarium sands like black that can be purchased at some stores or online.
I didn't know that about silica sand. Everything I read said it was a great substrate, nothing about diatoms. I like the playsand you have. I think I might go with that.


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What is your tap water hardness? This will tell us if the pH will remain or lower over time. A high hardness and pH is limiting with respect to fish selection, but if we can expect it to lower it opens up many more choices.
I don't have a water hardness tester. But my tap water pH is 8.0. The tank has been set up for a year and every time I test it is at7.8-8.0.


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Unless you end up with fish that eat plants (very few do), there is every reason to have live plants, and no reason not. The benefits can't be understated. And many forest fish absolutely do better with plants, esp floating, and not just because of water stability. I often write that plants are easier than fish, but with both all it takes is an understanding of their requirements. It need not be complicated. Good light (a single tube of the proper spectrum works fine provided you do not decide on high-light requirement plants). Anacharis falls to bits on me, not a good plant in my view, so don't let that colour your view on plants.;-) Have a read of the 4-part sticky at the head of the Aquarium Plants section for background.
I will have to read that. Is there certain plants you recommend?

chevysoldier 10-17-2011 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by zof (Post 864340)
Just a note, undoubtedly the back of the tank will someday get wet so poster board isn't always the best material as it will stain, but you might be able to still use it if you tape it up really good for a water protector. Best to do it now before you cant get to the back of the tank.

Nice little deal you got there I like the stand.

Thanks. I've been really careful with my other tank and the background is still in great shape, just one little spot that got slightly wet but not a big deal.

Byron 10-17-2011 04:14 PM

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I don't have a water hardness tester. But my tap water pH is 8.0. The tank has been set up for a year and every time I test it is at7.8-8.0.
A hardness test isn't worth the money as you will likely only use it once. Contact your water supply people; many now have a website with water data posted, but if not they can tell you. You want to know the GH (general hardness) and the KH (bicarbonate hardness, sometimes called Alkalinity). From the pH being stable I would expect medium hard to fairly hard water.

chevysoldier 11-28-2011 03:37 AM

I gave this tank to my buddy. He is setting it up as salt water. Just got it drilled today and put the live rock in it. I gave him this one and got a 50 gallon from someone else. Here is the thread: http://www.tropicalfishkeeping.com/f...-my-new-86876/


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