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reboot530 09-04-2007 11:34 PM

Fresh water Tank Help!!!!!
Ok here is what I have right now.

2 commons gold fish (won at a local fair) Back in June 2007
2 fancy goldfish
1 pleca

10 gal tank
5 plastic trees
1 mountain with hole
1 cow head small.

a Penguin 150 filter with bio wheel.
(Only have for two weeks now)

I able to get a bigger tank for christmas but don't know what size? I was thinking 30gal?

Should I go to a salt water tank instead or stick with a fresh water.
I would like more fish!!!!! Please help!
I don't want to spend more than $250 for a tank.
I love in PA bucks county area and deal with Hidden reef for my supplies.

thanks Aaron

Lupin 09-05-2007 12:47 AM

Welcome to

What pleco do you have? If that is a common pleco, it will grow to more than 12 inches. I would suggest returning it to the lfs. All four goldfish will require a 75 gallons minimum. A ten gallons is far too small and will never fit even one goldfish long-term. Don't buy any more fish than what you have. Buy API liquid test kit and test your ammonia, nitrites, nitrates and pH. Ensure your ammonia and nitrites are zero otherwise they will severely stress and kill all your fish. All the fish you have are very heavy waste producers and you'll need a very powerful filtration system for that.

Good luck.

reboot530 09-15-2007 12:48 AM

Well I was thinking of gettting a 55 gal tank. What is ILF mean?

I just can't bear to get rid of my fish.
I will have to get a 75 or 90 gal? That seems way too much for 5 fish.
I don't know much about fish but I don't want to have to get lets say 100 gal for only 5 fish. That's not cool.....

is fresh water easier thatn Salt water
Thanks Aaron

caferacermike 09-15-2007 08:22 AM

LFS, local fish store. (hidden reefs as you put it)

75-90g could never be "to big for just 5 fish". Whenever we put a single fish in a tank we create an unnatural environment for them. Think of it this way, fish don't live in 75g ponds in the wild, they live in thousands of gallons minimum. I only have 4 fish in my 75g salt water tank.

If you are up for the challenge, Walmart has a good price on a 55g if you'd like to try it. I think your current fish load would be happier there. I still wouldn't run out and buy anymore fish. The cleaner the water, the happier the fish. More water takes longer to pollute.

Should you try salt on a $250 budget? Sure, but do a lot of reading first. Why not buy the larger tank for your FW fish and then do a mini salt tank with the old 10g? A small bag of aragonite sand, a nice little hanging filter, couple of pieces of "live rock", a couple of gobies and a shrimp would do alright for about $100 or less. Just know that you'll need to do a 3-5g water change weekly. Don't worry about adding corals as they won't make it in a simple tank like that. You might try some zoa or mushroom corals but that's about it.

mgamer20o0 09-15-2007 01:31 PM

your 5 fish should get big and are very dirty fish. if its a common pleco they can get 2 feet long. goldfish get what.... 10-12 inch.... you prob already stunting them now. they stop growing if they dont have the room but their insides keep growing until they burst. if you want a lot of fish in a tank get rid of all the fish you have now. go with a small schooling fish. heck get a 55 gal and put 50+ neon tetras in there......

reboot530 09-15-2007 01:43 PM

Hey another question I have is should I get a 55 gal but a wide one?
THe 55 gal don't seem wide enough.....
Let me know...
Today one of my fancy goldfish died. We had our water checked and the water is fine. Wonder why he died.
THanks Aaron

mgamer20o0 09-15-2007 01:47 PM

what is fine? what are the numbers? get as big as you can afford. i have found many deals on craigslist.

the fish died because its living in such a small space. its like living in a phone booth.

reboot530 09-16-2007 12:33 PM

55 gal fish take is 48 long and 12 wide....

mgamer20o0 09-16-2007 02:25 PM


Today one of my fancy goldfish died. We had our water checked and the water is fine. Wonder why he died.
THanks Aaron
asking the numbers from the water being checked. when the water is checked you should get the numbers of the nitrate nitrite ammonia at least.

JouteiMike 09-16-2007 03:44 PM

Was the fish acting differently before he died?
You need to buy your own test kit, and check your water yourself.

I have a 75 gallon for my 2 fancy goldfish and 2 weather loaches. My tank is 48 x 18 x 21. In my opinion, a 55 would be much better than the 10, but still too small in the long run.

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