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cullens089 08-03-2007 03:48 PM

test results
well ive had my tank up and cycling with fish (zebras) for a week and here are the results

high range pH-7.8

i kinda need some help :oops: dont really know how close i am to a fully cycled tank

fish_4_all 08-03-2007 04:31 PM

Could be a week, could be 6 weeks. The numbers are looking good that the cycle is getting close to over but you can never rely on the numbers until you get 0 ammonia and 0 nitrites for about a week.

cullens089 08-03-2007 04:32 PM

would it be ok if i added more zebras?

fish_4_all 08-03-2007 04:40 PM

If you add more now you will likely see ammonia again although it shouldn't be very high for very long. I wouldn't add any but that is just me but why put more fish through the ammonia and nitrites?

willow 08-03-2007 04:43 PM

i wouldn't at the moment,i know it's tempting.
your filter is getting it's colany together,and you have
a lot of toxins in there at the moment,and to add more
fish to the soup will do you no favours,JMHO
i hope i'm not being harshly negative here.
i soooo know what it's like to have to wait for the cycle
to end,however you will get there.

cullens089 08-03-2007 04:45 PM

oh i dont know i just feel like my tank is so empty lol cause theres only 7 zebras in my 90 gallon tank. i lost 2 so far but they were really small so i think thats why they died. all the other ones are gettin bigger then when i bought them

fish_4_all 08-03-2007 05:26 PM

Well 7 in a 90 gallon tank is good but could be bad. What fish do you plan on putting in there when the cycle is done? If they are larger fish then I would actually consider putting another 5-10 of them in there so that when you puit the larger fish in the biolaod can handle it. But wait until you get 0 ammonia for another couple days. Maybe add some extra food to boost the cycle a little higher without adding fish.

That is why I like the fishless cycle so much with the prawn. once the ammonia and nitrites drop 0 for a eeek you can pretty much add any fish you want to because the beneficial bacteria should be able to handle any normal fish load.

cullens089 08-04-2007 12:12 AM

im going to buy 2 bichirs (senegalus) some clown loaches and maybe a cat. (i know there all bottom feeders.) i do like german blue ram. other then that i havent really thought about any others. but i am open to suggestions

fish_4_all 08-04-2007 01:01 AM

Those are some pretty big boys to be putting together in the same tank. I know, when they are young they will have plenty of room but the Bichir get up to 12 inches and the loaches up to 18 inches. That would be one hell of a fight for bottom territory, if there was one. The challenge would be to get them the same size and keep them the same size or close to it so they don't try to bully each other. Clown do like larger groups though so I am really thinking they are not the best choice.

The rams wouldn't stand a chance against any of them. Barbs or groumis might work for upper level fish.

As for cycling, if you really want to add the fish together you may need to get more danios to cycle the tank with. I hate to say it because they will suffer but I would hate to see the more delicate and susceptible fish suffer even more because of a cycle when you add them. Not to mention more expensive. If you plant to get the bichir and still decide to get clown loaches I would get quite few more danios, maybe a total group of 20-25 just to make sure the bacteria can support the larger fish.

I know those that will disagree with me but I can't think of a better way to do short of switching to a fishless cycle. Hopefully someone will chime in here and give an idea of how many danios would be needed to support 2 bichir senegalese and 5 small clown loaches.

Also remember, you will want a LOT and I mean a TON of hiding places for them on the bottom as they are territorial or at least can be and all of them like caves. Maybe Kuhli loaches would be a better choice if they are big enough that the bichir can't eat them.

Keep those questions coming, we will get there sooner or later. And if you are willing to and your LFS will do so you can always raise Clown loaches to a bigger size but smaller enough for the tank and trade them for smallers ones down the road.

Lupin 08-04-2007 06:34 AM


Originally Posted by fish_4_all
Maybe Kuhli loaches would be a better choice if they are big enough that the bichir can't eat them.

All serpentine loaches should never be mixed with bichirs. The bichirs will eat them with ease. Deep-bodied loaches such as CLs however will be fine. Bichirs will eat anything that will fit their mouths and these are generally peaceful predators that can ambush their prey.

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