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Michelle9843 05-19-2011 10:33 AM

Sick Fish....HELP!!
 
We have just started a new tank (as in 4 months old). We complete the full cycling as directed and started stocking fish. Everything was going good and fish looked great. Last Sat. I noticed white spots on 1 of our fish so as directed by LFS I started treating for Ich. We did 25% water change, took out the charcoal filter and added medication. Started to raise temp to 80-81 degrees and took out a dwarf frog we had as I was told this treatment would not be good for him. Ich started to disapear and things were looking good. Tuesday I noticed our pleco started to turn white??? As mentioned on the bottle I went ahead and decided to only do a 1/2 treatment to lower the amount of med to help with the pleco. I came home Wed. to find an awful smell from our tank. We noticed the Pleco was died, lying on the bottom the of tank and honestly looked like he rotted away completly?? Was this from the Ich treatment or something different? We then noticed that one of our dwarf barbs was also dead but his body looked health? We decided to only do another 1/2 treatment as most of the Ich seems to be disapearing, however noticed that 3 more spots showed up on our Gouronmi today. This morning (Thursday) we found 2 other fish not looking so good. 1 dawrf gourami is hovering at the top very lathargic and the other is a platty that seems have slimmed down ALOT and most of it's fins are gone? I tested the water and it shows the PH is good, the Alkalinity is at the highest (but was told thats from the Ich treatment) The Nitrites are 0 and the Nitrates are between 20-30. I couldn't test for the ammonia as I ran out of the testing stuff, I will pick some up today. We are planning on a water change as I was told to do one after 3-4 days of treatment to help ride the parasite in the gravel. I am hoping that it will help with the water as well since we have dying fish???

What else can we do as I'm not sure it's just Ich????

55gallon Tank with undergravel filter (2 Tubes. w/charcoal), 2 Power heads to help with water flow
1 Gold Gourami, 2 Blue Gourami (babies), 2 Dwarf sunset Gourami, 1 Dwarf Paradise Gourami, 5 Dwarf Tiger Barbs, 2 Rosy Barbs, 1 Tinfoil Barb, 1 Redtail Shark, 1 Bala Shark, 4 Platty's, 1 Glass Catfish, 6 Tail & Fin Healights

TwinDad 05-19-2011 11:04 AM

What Ich medicine did you use? Also the nitrates are a bit high, but I'm not sure if it is medicine related.

Also can you provide pictures?

Michelle9843 05-19-2011 12:43 PM

I ran out at lunch a picked up Ammonia test stuff, and went ahead a retested everything since those number were from last night. Here is the latest. Ammonia: 0, Nitrate: 30, Nitrite: 0, Hardness: 75, Alkalinity: 300, PH: 8.5.
Kordon Rid-Ich is the Ich treatment I am using.

Michelle9843 05-20-2011 10:22 AM

Had another fish die lastnight, but it was the dwarf gourami that was floating at the top. Very strange as his head started to "blow up" and his eyes sunk into his head???? Couldn't find anything on line about those symptoms??? HELP!!!! I still have the 1 dwarf barb that is acting funny.....spastic really.

Completed water change last night and retested everything this morning, water quality hasn't changed much, the PH has come down to 8.0 and the hardness has dropped a little. That's about it, Nitrate is still the same.

Michelle9843 05-20-2011 10:26 AM

new symptom
 
Had another fish die lastnight, but it was the dwarf gourami that was floating at the top. Very strange as his head started to "blow up" and his eyes sunk into his head???? Couldn't find anything on line about those symptoms??? HELP!!!! I still have the 1 dwarf barb that is acting funny.....spastic really.

Completed water change last night and retested everything this morning, water quality hasn't changed much, the PH has come down to 8.0 and the hardness has dropped a little. That's about it, Nitrate is still the same.

condiman 05-20-2011 07:26 PM

What was your pH when you started your aquarium. Because your current pH is high.

excal88 05-20-2011 10:20 PM

Yes, your current pH is borderline deadly for your fish; usually you don't want it going above 8.2 at the most.

Michelle9843 05-21-2011 10:02 AM

My Ph has always been high.....bounces around 8-8.5, how can I lower it?

condiman 05-21-2011 12:42 PM

What is the pH directly out of your tap?

SeaHorse 05-21-2011 01:33 PM

Hi Michelle9843. I'm very sorry for your troubles... we've all been there!!
Take a moment to test your tap water as you must know your tap water numbers. I have been running a tank here in Ontario for 4 years now, with low ammonia .25 coming straight from the tap and a PH of 8.2 to 8.4. No deaths from PH at all. I do make sure that any new fish are entered slowly by resting the bag in the water and every 5 minutes over the course of about 40 minutes I trickle TANK water in to equalize/adjust any PH levels same as I would equalize the temperature in the bag to the temp in the tank. Do you do this too?
You need to know all of your tap water settings. It is not the high PH that is deadly, but big changes in the PH. All the fish at the LFS are in the same 8.2 tap water. I still equalize it just in case.
I would highly highly not recommend you try to adjust your PH because any addictive is only temporary and it will shift back on it's own. Plus you will be adding more water due to water changes. It is the sudden changes that are deadly.
NitrAte of 30 is high.
Do another water change or two to try to get it down to 10-20. If your tap water is 20 then that is the goal.
Having said all of those "normal" numbers above, I would never attempt anything like Discus that needs an acidic water. It would be futile. I am better to home African Cichlids but as you can see from my aquarium list I do not have any.

Now at this point.... who/what is left in the aquarium?
When you buy new fish do you buy small numbers 2-3 at a time? so that you don't throw off the bio load and cause a mini cycle? Do you have any live plants?
If you are using an undergravel filter do you also have a HOB? How will you remove meds with carbon when treatment is finished.?
I'm not sure how you can rid yourself of the parisite from the gravel by doing a water change...? something is not right there. If you brought in a slow acting disease from one of the fish you may have to let it run it's course. Then tear down and clean the tank and start over. That is the worst case scenario... I don't think you are dealing strictly with ich. Hopefully one of our more experienced members can jump in with a treatment for the tank, but it really depends now on what inhabitants are left...? good luck.


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