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lunawatsername 05-15-2011 02:58 AM

pH adjusters... do they really work?
so, i keep betta fish. i got 2 of them before i knew anything about keeping fish, but now i have done some research and have found that my pH is higher than what is normally considered healthy for a betta fish. (i dont have a high pH test, so all i know is that it is at least 7.6, which is as high as my test goes). i have heard some people say that 7.6 is an acceptable range for a betta, but others say that it shouldnt be over 7.0. so i was looking around and found a product that claims that it can make your water a perfect 7.0 pH. has anyone ever tried this product? (cant remember the name... perfect pH 7.0? something like that i think. i know that it came in a few different kinds, like 6.0, 6.5, etc.) if not, does it sound likely to work? it kind of seems like a crock to be honest... but can anyone give me an alternative to lowering my pH if need be?

also, i am using pH down (i tried it on water that had no fish in it) and it either didnt seem to work, or my pH is so high that me using it several times didnt lower it enough for me to be able to see a difference...

any help would be appreciated :)

Austin 05-15-2011 03:51 AM

Just to give my opinion:

PH adjusting chemicals/powders I am pretty sure must work to some degree. But, it is a temporary solution to a permanent problem... And if you're messing with the PH in such a small container constantly with chemicals, it could cause more problems than it helps (having a slightly higher PH might be better than messing around with it...).

Anyways, if you are that concerned (personally I have kept bettas in hard water and they were fine, but I guess they did never live too long), I would maybe buy some RO water from your LFS or from a supermarket. It should be close to 7 PH I think. :) Just do your water changes with this water. It shouldn't be too expensive and might even be cheaper than the chemicals overall and will be less stressful.

Teishokue 05-15-2011 04:03 AM

i wouldnt go with RO water for a fish such as betta, sure it is more benificial but if you are changing the water constantly it kinda gets expensive over time. chemicals do work but to keep that pH at a certain level you are required to add a buffer. but all that chemical will mess your fish around and pH isnt something you should worry about. if you are really feeling that you need to change the pH, i would recommend soft drift wood or indian leaves for a pH down. and for pH up i would recommend sea shells non painted. chemicals will cloud your water and are temporary unless acted upon a certain pH buffer which is annoying to find and may harm the fish.

lunawatsername 05-15-2011 04:18 AM


Originally Posted by Teishokue (Post 674344)
pH isnt something you should worry about.

really? i was told it was really pretty important...

yeah, the reason i didnt want to do the buying water thing is because id be buying water for a 20 gal, 2 2gals and eventually a 10 gal, so the water would be way too expensive. i do have a piece of driftwood in the 20gal and it doesnt seem to have had an other fish seem fine though, so i guess if i cant find a different solution ill just leave them in the water they are in. and i never used the pH down on the small tanks because i didnt want a sudden pH change to kill my fish. i only used it on the 20gal, which doesnt have fish in it.

thanks for the advise though you guys

edit: do you know where i could get some of the "indian leaves"? is that actually what they are called? and have you actually used them to lower pH before? thanks :)

Teishokue 05-15-2011 04:43 AM

well certain drift wood will work. if your water turns brown/red due to the drift wood that means the drift wood is leaking tanic acid which will lower your pH naturally. which usually SOFT driftwood will do this. although most aquarist do not like SOFT driftwood because it could leak TOO much. some people use peat in thier filter to leak tanic acid. you should look up tanic acid. this will help you the most

Teishokue 05-15-2011 04:44 AM

as for the leaves, they are called Indian Almond Leaves and you can find them at alot of places. most easiest place is the internet. i havent found much at my LFS

Austin 05-15-2011 05:33 AM

Hey I didn't realize your tank was big for some reason I thought it was maybe a couple gallons from your avatar. I think you might be able to find some decent cheap RO water from fish stores if you look around though?

lunawatsername 05-15-2011 05:56 AM

ohh your talking about almond leaves okay. yeah i knew that wood and leaves leaked tannins,i just didnt know that affected your pH. thanks! and since its the tannins that do it it makes sense that the driftwood i have isnt doing anything, because its pretty old (i bought it used)i really hope my LFS sells almond leaves though...i dont really like buying stuff off the internet, im oddly paranoid like that:oops:

yeah i do have small tanks too, i have two 2 gallons actually, so your right about the avatar pic. :-) but i have 4 tanks altogether (that will be in use anyway) so even if the water is only like a few bucks a gallon, itll add up really quickly, because ill have a total of about 15 or so gallons of water being changed weekly, and thats after the first few weeks when ill be doing bigger and much more frequent water changes to the 20 (because its going to be a sorority, all the fish will be added at once and im going to be changing some water out daily until the water levels even out) and barring anything that would need me to do more water changes even than that...:shock: it just seems like that would be way too much money.

Teishokue 05-15-2011 06:00 AM

oh yea, forgot to tell you about pH importantness. its not so important as long as you are picking certain types of fish. most water quality ranges from 6.5-7.5 should be fine for most fish. unless you are looking into Tanganyikan and Malawian cichlids and species similar to that will require lower pH. although you should look more towards dH rather than pH. water hardness is a bit more important that pH values. as long as its not extremes, it should be fine. as for mine i have to pick hard water/ high pH fish because milwaukee's water SUCK. .5 ammonia comming out of the tap lol. its fine though, my fish are used to it i guess. toss your bottle of pH up and pH down. not useful at all..... waste of money... and will cloud your water..... as long as your pH is around 7 should be fine. mine is 8.3.... dH is a measurement for water hardness most high pH have a high dH. as with low pH with low dH. but thats just a usual case. hardness also determines how much the pH will fluctuate. a buffer might be required but not needed.

although indian almond leaves and peat will turn your water BROWN. if you like that look and are okay with it it is fine to lower your pH that way. i wouldnt bother with pH much. unless you are looking into invertebrae and marine life

lunawatsername 05-15-2011 06:13 AM

i had a feeling that the pH down wasnt really working... it came with the pH test i bought so i figured i might as well try it... darn :/ well for what im planning right now, all my tanks will be betta tanks, so do you think a high hardness/pH will be a bad thing for them i dont know if you know anything about bettas but just thought i would ask. ive used alot of it and havent noticed any clouding, but honestly id rather use the least amount of chemicals i can, so if its not even doing its job its definitely out.

really? :shock: wow im glad Cali's water isnt that bad, it comes out as 0 from the tap thankfully... though it would kind of make starting a cycle for a tank easier wouldnt it? lol

i actually was considering getting a few ghost shrimp to tidy up after my sorority, but if my waters just going to kill them i guess ill skip it :roll: as long as my fish will be happy and healthy, i guess ill just leave the pH alone. though i think ill go ahead and get some almond leaves anyway if i can, because ive heard thy are actually great for bettas (fish in general, im assuming, but specifically heard for bettas) not too crazy about brown water but...:dunno:if it makes them happier its worth it.

thanks for all the info! :thankyou:

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