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zof 05-06-2011 04:18 PM

small breeding setup
 
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Ever since midgem posted about his setup of a fish room, I've been thinking really heavily on setting up a small breeder setup...

Basic concept will be to use one of those heavy duty storage racks to hold most of it and plastic storage containers as the tanks, I think I almost remember someone on this forum setting up something similar for bettas but I'm too lazy to do a search. Tell me what you think of my design below, note the air pump isn't included along with the heater but these will be hooked up inside the sump.

zof 05-06-2011 04:37 PM

Just a price estimate for the heck of it;

Storage rack - $80
Containers - $75
Pump - $40 if the one I already have doesn't work
Heater - $35 Again if the one I already have won't work
Air pump - $18 Again if the one I already have won't work
Fittings and tubing - $70
Random materials for the sump - $50
Auto Top off - $30

Total $398

But I'm hoping to keep it under $300

zof 05-08-2011 10:40 PM

Any comments, flaws, critiques anyone wants to add before I buy the stuff this week?

SinCrisis 05-08-2011 11:05 PM

Why bother with the auto top-off? Your going to end up topping off that top tank anyway, might as well skip it.

Your concept seems fine, but it would depend on what you are breeding since different fish need different environments. Your setup seems like it would work well in general (as meaning for most of the commonly traded fish) but if your were, lets say, breeding bettas, this would not work at all.

Also, have you thought of how the pump will return the water? are you going to be using 4 separate pumps? Water will go the path with least resistance so if you were thinking 1 pump, most of the water will not reach the 3rd level, running multiple pumps will cost you more.

Also running your quarantine on the same system seems counter productive since if the fish there are sick all your tanks are gonna get infected anyway since they all get mixed in the sump.

badxgillen 05-09-2011 12:49 AM

hmm
 
well i have pretty much this setup in my room next to my bed...i dont like the sump idea as mentioned before about quarintines...as well as allthe perameters would be the same for better or for worse most of the time worse on the fry..so i go with one air pump driving the 10 tanks...and dollar store tuperwares for tight squeezes of fry...as mentioned it also depends on the breeding project..it will work in theory.

zof 05-09-2011 07:24 PM

I'm actually looking to breed my Bolivian rams in this type of setup, with the auto top off I was hoping to have a constant water change going on, over the course of a week 20 gallons would come out of the slow drip and be refreshed by the 20 gallons attached to the auto top off. I also thought through the pump issue and decided the best way to use one pump over multiple levels will to bring the main line to the highest point on the system then distribute down from there. The lower tank will still receive more flow just based on gravity but should help equalize it a bit.

I didn't really specify but the quarantine tanks will be disconnected if being used as such. In fact I already have a 10 gallon tank that I will use on this rack but will not include into the sump system. I'm just trying to make this as low of maintenance setup as possible, hence the constant water change, and the fry will benefit from the extra water volume create through the sump system as long as all the tanks aren't crammed.

onefish2fish 05-09-2011 07:38 PM

to me, slow drip + pump = flood.
i suggest using gravity as your friend here. have a ball valve coming off one of the tanks. when it comes time for a water change, open the valve and have a bucket ready under, gravity will drain as much water as you let through the valve requiring you to only refill what was taken by pouring in a new bucket of water. hope that makes sense. if you are going to connect everything and have it how you do i still suggest using gravity, with one return pump to bring the water back to the top of the shelf..maybe like a mag5 pump or something?

just wondering what kind of fittings and tubing you'll be buying for $70?

SinCrisis 05-09-2011 10:46 PM

I think its just way more work than it needs to be. If your using a central sump to filter all tanks, you can just draw water out from the sump and add new water in for water changes, at least you wont be siphoning each tank separately and will be able to do all 4 at once. Plus if you free up the top rack you can add 2 more breeder tanks.

zof 05-09-2011 11:43 PM

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I can kind of see what you guys are getting at with the pointlessness of the auto top off in this type of system. But a little confused on how a slow drip and pump might lead to a flood.

I like the idea of using gravity in the draining process but would be a little worried about creating too much turbulence for the fry of that tank.

I've attached my diagram with a shopping list for the hardware store, all my prices earlier were just estimates off the top of my head.

onefish2fish 05-10-2011 06:16 PM

im thinking the slow drip wont be as fast as the pump is pumping up, and when your filling more then your draining...well.. you get a flood. this may not even be noticable at first and overtime, the drain wont be able to keep up. another possible scenario would be the drain clogging/getting obstructed somehow? just trying to point out some real life situations.
if you do go this route, dont set your drain to low.. the day your out and your pump fails ( and trust me, one day it will fail ) your tank will be all over the floor. dont mean to scare you, but this could happen.
as for the ball valve drain, you wouldnt have to open the valve all the way.. but it only takes that one time to forget and flush.. there goes your livestock :shock: lol. i think your right, it may just be alittle to turbulant for fry.


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