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Bandy0390 03-01-2011 03:53 PM

New 25!
So, I'm not very experienced to fish keeping, and I'm not the most knowledgeable! lol. I have an idea of what I want to put in, but I'm not sure it is the proper thing to do.

1) I either want a small group of small cichclids. (What I really want. So any way to make it work in 25?)

2) I want a Crown Tail Betta and a group of 3 or 4 small schooling fish.

3) Same as option 2 and add a dwarf frog.

* Would like to have some kind snail in each of these setups so if you have a suggestion on that it would be helpful as well.

Thanks in advance for any replies. :)

Edit- Would also like suggestions on plants for which ever setup you recommend.

deman3 03-01-2011 04:24 PM

For cichlids you could probably do a couple of Rams or an angelfish. Add in some larger of the tetra species to school(large enough school as to not fin nip the angel) like 6 to 8. Then do a snail or so. I am new to this as well but by looking at the profiles I would say this is the best bet if you want cichlids. Otherwise you could do a couple of tetra species in 6-10 schools with a beta. Again I am new too but this is from what I have learned in the short months I have been here.

Bandy0390 03-01-2011 04:30 PM

Ok, so what, like 4 or 5 cichlids and some Tetras?

Idk, that seems like a bit much. lol But if it could be done I would definitely enjoy it!

deman3 03-01-2011 04:41 PM

I would say like 1 male/female ram pair and a school of tetras(like 12 or so), then about 5 cories to clean the bottom of the tank.

SomeDudeAtHome 03-01-2011 04:48 PM

If you have a long 25g tank you could try and pair of Bolivian Ram, Spadetailed checkerboard cichlid or Kribensis. Those are all cichlid and would do pretty well in a 25g. Most other cichlids need bigger tanks and might have special care requirements. You could find all their profiles in the tab on top. As for schooling fish some tetras would be good. I wouldn't get ones that are too small though just incase you get a more aggressive cichlid. Something like Black Widow tetra would probably be good. Snails and frogs I really know nothing about but I'm sure someone will chime in as this is a very helpful forum.

LasColinasCichlids 03-01-2011 10:34 PM

Cichlids...there are a lot out there that will work in your tank size as the previous posters have menitoned, bare in mind that cichlids are not for the new fish keeper as their aggression can be a real issue...even on the cute little rams (gold rams are my fave, their colorings are just too pretty).

Somthing you may consider instead of cichlids are American Flagfish (Jordanella Floridae), they are killifish, yet this particular one is similar behavior to that of dwarf cichlids, or so I have read (getting one for myself next week).

With cichlids I have found that the best schooling fish to keep with them is tiger barbs (a school of 5 works fine). I have used the tiger barbs safely as a great dither fish for cichlids in the past and always recommend them.

When it comes to male bettas, there isnt much you can put with them that doesnt run the risk of him attacking, or it getting its beautiful fins nipped. However, I have safely kept a male betta with an African Dwarf Frog (ADF).

When it comes to the frog, they need easy access to the top of the tank, so the tank can not be that deep. They also will consume small fish (like neons) if aggrivated or hungry. The ADFs will eat the fish flakes that sink to the bottom, but that isnt normally enough for ADFs main staple diet comes from ReptoMin Frog and freeze-dried bloodworms. I have never kept an ADF with cichlids, so I dont know how they would respond. ADFs are more active in groups of 3 or more, however one would be fine by itself. I have never kept ADFs in a tank larger than a 15 gallon, for fear of them being unable to reach the top for air.

Some cichlids like to eat the eyes off the corydoras, and I personally wouldnt keep them together. Of course most of my cichlid experiance is with the larger (6+ inch) cichlid breeds. Cory need to be in groups to be happy, I advice 4-6 cory. I personally dont like the idea of mixing cichlid with non cichlids, but thats just me.

Tetras. Depends on what type of tetra you want. Small tetras would be ate by cichlids most likely. With cichlids, you need larger and fast tetras. If you skip on the cichlids, a great schooling fish is rasboras (which are for a calm community...would probably do nicely with a female betta, ADF, cory, and other peaceful fish that would all fit nicely in your 25 gal.)

I would not keep ANY tetras with angels. To be honest, I think a 25 gallon is too small a tank for angels. When angels are full grown they can be as big as 10 inches top to bottom fins...which also are very attention catching for the nippy tetras. Even with a larger school of tetras nipping issues can and will still happen. Not that tetras are bad fish, you just have to watch which ones you get and what else you plan on putting in there with them.

Snails...not to familiar with as I havent had them, but I plan on getting some. I was thinking about getting a mystery snail, just one, as I heard they arent as quick to breed as others, and are great cleaners. The other reason I was looking into snails myself was as a food source if I choose to do dwarf puffers anytime which case I would just pick up a bunch of the ones at petsmart that over-populate quickly that they will give for they are small enough for dwarf puffers.

I advice doing plenty of research on all they types of fish you are interested in keeping. Compatability and water parameters are what you will want to pay close attention to, as well as if it will fit into your tank size and how large of a bioload you are looking at...cichlids are very messy fish with a heavy bioload.

Most cichlids, tetras, and barbs, for the most part, can survive a cycle...but then again some breeds cant (I would NOT put an angel through a cycle). So start with a fishless cycle or choose a fish that can withstand the cycle. That should give you a good 3-5 weeks to figure out what to stock the tank with while it cycles.

Any questions or opinions, just ask. Good luck with your new tank, and welcome to TFK!!!

Bandy0390 03-03-2011 11:58 AM

WOw guys! Thanks for all the responses and help! I really appreciate it!

As I was looking up so info about all these fish and frogs and such I read that frogs should have a depth of no more than fifteen inches. This was the African Dwarf that I was looking at. I was wondering if there was any kind of frog that could be kept in an aquarium that was a little deeper than that, say 19-20 inches.

Also, I looked at the flag fish and they are pretty cool looking little fish so I will definitely read more about them.

I also looked at the tiger barbs and they are pretty awesome!

If I were to skip on the cichlids, I would like to the rasboras setup that was mentioned above. So I will continue to look at those types of fish and will continue to ask questions here when I find out exactly what is in my area.

Also, on the plant side of things. Are any of these fish that have been mentioned poisoned by certain plants. Being labeled as a "live plant aquarium" I would love to plant some stuff in the tank.

deman3 03-03-2011 12:45 PM

I keep my albino clawed frog in my 55 gallon tank and he does just fine. I will be trading him in however, he is getting big enough to eat my tetras.

Blabomb 03-03-2011 01:04 PM

If you still wanted to go with an African Cichlid setup I would suggest a species tank of Electric Yellow Labs. Not only are they colorful and fun to watch, but they are among the most peaceful cichlids from Lake Malawi. You could easily have 1 male and 5-6 females in that tank as long as you have proper filtration and enough caves. Chances are you would even get some fry :-)

But as far as snails go look into nerite snails. They are good for fw tanks because 99.9% of the time they can not reproduce in fw so you will not end up with a snail infestation.


Blabomb 03-03-2011 01:07 PM

Also I forget to tell you about plants. If you chose to go with cichlids they do do not go well with plants. They will eat and/or uproot them. And if the fish don't eat them, there are a relatively small amount of plants that can handle the conditions and pH african cichlids require to begin with.

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