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Silli_Millivanilli 06-10-2007 02:14 PM

Adding Soultions to Water...
I have several different conditioners which I add to my aquarium on a regular basis to keep the water safe....

Aqua Plus (Tap Water Conditioner)
Crystal Clear II (Clears Cloudy Water)
Cycle (Reduces Fish Loss)
Water Softener Pillow
Aquarium Salt

Im also going to need to buy a PH Decreaser as the Alkalinity levels are high.

Is it safe to add these different solutions to my aquarium? Will the different solutions end up harming the fish.

leifthebunny 06-10-2007 02:56 PM

I'm not sure about mixing the chemicals, but, depending on how much tank space you have, you might want to look at getting a RO machine to make your own water.

mHeinitz57 06-10-2007 03:01 PM

Yeah its safe but personally I try to put in as little chemicals as possible. What kind of fish do you have in the tank? Do you have plants in there?Here is my opinion on each of the things you said.

Aqua Plus (Tap Water Conditioner): decent water conditioner. I would also suggest Prime and Amquel Plus.

Crystal Clear II (Clears Cloudy Water): cloudy water is related to two things usually...small particles in the water that are too small for the filter to pick up or a bacterial bloom, usually associated with too much ammonia. Crystal Clear is what is called a floculant, it binds small particles together so they are big enough for the filter to pick up. The only two reasons you would need this is if there is a lot of small excess food in the water or dust from new gravel. Both of those will filter out eventually though. Crystal Clear is a product that usually shouldnt need to be used on a regular basis. If your cloudy water is a result of bacterial bloom, then you have a bacteria issue and the tank is not established enough. Some people use Crystal CLear to try and treat green water (algea) but that can usually be treated by simply keeping the lights off more.

Cycle (Reduces Fish Loss): good product to use but not a neccessity. Personally I add bacteria starter (I use Stability) everytime I do water changes but its still not needed.

Water Softener Pillow: This depends on what kind of fish you have and if you are doing plants and such. THe majority of fish you buy from your local fish store will withstand hard water. Every store I have worked at has had there water very hard (at the top of the chart). I don't adjust my water because throwing a fish from a store with hard water into a tank with soft water can affect the fish. If you want to soften the water that is fine, but make sure you can keep it stable and not have any large fluctuations.

pH reducer: This is the same deal with the water softener pillow. Most fish will withstand high pH and most stores have their tanks at 8-8.4. My tank at home is in that range as well. Again, I dont adjust it because if I buy a fish from 8.4 water and throw it into my 7.0 tank, the fish could go into shock. If you want to adjust pH, that is fine but make sure you can keep it stable and without any large fluctuations. I have heard complaints about pH adjustment chemicals that the change is not permenant and they have to constantly monitor the water and make adjustments.

Aquarium Salt: This also depends on the kinfd of fish you have. Personally I don't agree with keeping salt in a tank at all times. I use it only if my fish get sick. Using salt is the equivelent of humans resting when they catch a cold. You rest to allow your body to exert less energy and be able to focus it's strength on fighting off the disease. However, if you were to spend your whole life sleeping in bed, you would get a very weakened immune system as well as a weakened circulatory and respiratory system...the same happens with fish.

I don't know if that helps at all because I don't really know if you have a certain goal in mind and there are particular reasons you add the chemicals. There are pretty much upsides and downsides to everything in the fish hobby. Chemically, I only use Prime water conditioner and Stability bacteria starter. Occasionally I throw in a little Florish plant fertilizer but my plants seem to do ok without it.

MattD 06-10-2007 03:15 PM

Constantly adding chemicals to adjust things like pH etc.. will just put your fish on a stress rollercoaster ride, since these constantly need to be added to the tank after water changes. :/

fish_4_all 06-10-2007 09:02 PM

I have to agree, unless you have fish that really need a specific pH then all of the above are not needed except the conditioner in which I recommend Prime if you can find it.

If you do have specific pH requirement fish then there are better ways to lower the pH like bogwood or driftwood. Adding all those chemicals is only asking for a possible major collapse of the whole system if something changes that isn't caught right away.

GW 06-10-2007 09:45 PM


Originally Posted by fish_4_all
I have to agree, unless you have fish that really need a specific pH then all of the above are not needed except the conditioner

I agree but research the fish you have to make sure they dont need the Salt before you stop using that too.
For treating water I've had good luck using: Tetra Aqua - AquaSafe w/BioExtract

mHeinitz57 06-10-2007 11:13 PM

the freshwater aquarium salt really isnt a neccessity for any fish. All it does is osmoregulate the water to bring the salt level in the water to be equal with the salt density in the cells of the fish. This allows the fish to expend less energy maintaining the salt levels in their bodies. For more info, just look up info on osmoregulation. When fish actually "require" salt, it is because it is a brackish fish that comes from an area where a stream or river runs into the ocean. If it is a brackish water fish then you use a marine salt and not an aquarium salt.

GW 06-11-2007 12:21 AM

Salt lessens the number of pathogens in the water.
Changing the concentration of salt in the water helps the fish. The pathogens, such as bacteria and protozoa, are simpler forms of life that have no internal organs to compensate for the change in salt concentration.
But fish have organs, such as kidneys, that enable them to adjust to a small change in the concentration of salt. So changing the concentration of salt weakens the pathogens without harming the fish, and this gives the fish a better chance to recover.

mHeinitz57 06-11-2007 08:33 AM

well salt can slow down the rate in which pathogens can reproduce and that is part of the benefit using it when a fish is infected. However, continuous use of salt will cause the fishes metabolism and cell functions to be underworked, making them weaker and an overall weakened immune system. Salt is a good example of a plus side and a downside to almost everything in the fish hobby. At the fish store we use salt all the time and monitor the salt level twice a day because it is a high stress environment for the fish, but I never suggest it to my customers for regular use.

GW 06-11-2007 10:39 AM

In my Livebearer tank I use 1Tbs per 5g...without any problems.

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