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Seanmiller09 02-11-2011 06:09 AM

New Boesemani are Dieing
 
Well I just got a school of Boesemani in the mail yesterday (packaged very nice, but one DOA) most are doing great, but Three of the large males have died over the night. When I got them they looked like they might have a little ammonia poisioning (gasping for air at the surface) I added a bubble stone and in about 2-3 hours they had pretty much resumed as normal of behavior as one could expect from fish in a new enviroment. All the fish were swiming around before I went to bed, even eating a little. This morning there was one dead male, the biggest full colored male was swiming upside down, all others looked good, then another male started to swim upside down, then both of those died.

Any theories? All females are doing great, it is only the full-ish grown males that are having problems. Could this be that all fish were shipped in the same sized bags, but since the females are much smaller (about 1.75 to 2.25) inches they produced less waste during the 51hrs it took to get them into a quarentine tank? (I might have boofed this one because I moved all the females into my main tank (2 Boesemani 1 red eye) in my early morning daze when I got up at 3:00)

I have been doing 8oz water changes every hour or so. Running a trickle filter with bio balls from my display tank, filled quarentine with water from my display tank, running an additional 5-15 HOB with an extra cultured bio sponge from my guppy tank, There is also substrate in the sump from my guppy tank, there are two small floaring water sprites, and some frogbit, I would think all this would keep ammonia under control (I cant find my ammonia test :-()

There also appears to be white around the mouths, and on the one of the males I can see a stringy something hanging from his front lip and one of his fins.

I'll try to post some pics when I get home.

Any help would be awesome! If I need medication please let me know so I can get the the store ASAP!!!

If I left out any important info ask me and I will reply as soon as I can if not immediatly.



Thank you very much,
Sean

Seanmiller09 02-11-2011 06:56 AM

Shipper said deaths were probably due to too rapid acclimation, and that the fungus around the mouths was a result of the fish being banged into the side of the bags during shipping and that potassium permanganate should help clear it right up.

I don't know much about fish illness... Does this sound plausible?

Thanks,
Sean

SweetPoison 02-11-2011 07:59 AM

Please be very careful using PP. I have seen folks wipe out their tanks using it. Wait and see if someone else chimes in!

Seanmiller09 02-11-2011 08:39 AM

That's what I was thinking. I have only used chemicals once when I first got into the hobby. They scare me. Lol.
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Lupin 02-11-2011 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Seanmiller09 (Post 587289)
Shipper said deaths were probably due to too rapid acclimation, and that the fungus around the mouths was a result of the fish being banged into the side of the bags during shipping and that potassium permanganate should help clear it right up.

I don't know much about fish illness... Does this sound plausible?

Thanks,
Sean

Not fungus. The true fungus is very rare. Columnaris is my guess. Bacterial infections are a consequence of untreated injuries. I'm hesitant to advise PP. You can however try Maracyn Plus or kanamycin. Treat in the quarantine tank. Separate the ones unaffected and quarantine all new fish for four weeks bare minimum, regardless of your sources. You might regret it one day if you don't. Almost all rainbows are very prone to mycobacteriosis. I lost all my rainbows to it along with the rest of the tropicals in contact with them four years ago.

SweetPoison 02-11-2011 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Lupin (Post 587322)
[color=Green] . Columnaris is my guess.

Good call ~ I am so not good at diagnosing. If it is Columnaris, it spreads very fast. Time is of the essence. My Discus came down with that ~ I have pictures you would not believe. I put my hand into their tank from a QT tank.

They were all black and white spotted and lying flat. There is a 400 post thread on SD ~ how they all walked me through treatment.

They all survived.

Lupin has good advice ~ esp QT. I was told once: "Quarantine like the devil himself gave them to you" I STILL try to talk myself out of it!

Seanmiller09 02-11-2011 02:24 PM

I got some Seachem Kanaplex, it says to mix it with froozen food paste? If I just mix it with the water will the fish not absorb it? If I have to mix it, what can I whip up here at the house to feed to them (the LFS is way too far away to make a second trip on a friday)

Romad 02-11-2011 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Seanmiller09 (Post 587514)
I got some Seachem Kanaplex, it says to mix it with froozen food paste? If I just mix it with the water will the fish not absorb it? If I have to mix it, what can I whip up here at the house to feed to them (the LFS is way too far away to make a second trip on a friday)

Old Fish Lady shared a recipe a while back for her homemade fish food. Use a raw shrimp, some blanched spinach and fresh garlic. Mash it all up into a fine paste and freeze it.

I'm sure you could just do the shrimp and garlic (garlic will help mask the taste of meds and it's also a natural appetite enhancer for fish). Just make sure you mash it small enough so that your fish don't get a big hunk and try to swallow it. Rainbows have pretty small mouths.

I have 5 rainbows in my community tank and they love this stuff! Good luck.

Seanmiller09 02-11-2011 03:04 PM

Awesome! Thanks for the recipie.

On a sad note, another of the Males died, he was fine-ish before I went to get the meds, just checked again, dead on the bottom of the tank. :(

I think I'm going to request a partial refund or additional fish for my order.

Romad 02-11-2011 03:09 PM

Sorry about your fish :( Poor things.

I would def. get some of my money back - I know they're not cheap.


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