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rhessling 02-05-2011 06:24 AM

koi sword tails
 
hi im getting back into breeding livebears i was going to get some koi sword tails when i came cross some koi sword tails with blak spots on them for sale on the e net they were awsome looking was wondering if any one knows any thing about there breeding as to how they got there black spot so i could try and breen some instead of spending a arm and a leg for a trio
would post a pic but idk how to i belive there called Sanshoku sword tails could this color be a from crossing platys and sword tail if so wich one
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fan4guppy 02-05-2011 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by rhessling (Post 580567)
hi im getting back into breeding livebears i was going to get some koi sword tails when i came cross some koi sword tails with blak spots on them for sale on the e net they were awsome looking was wondering if any one knows any thing about there breeding as to how they got there black spot so i could try and breen some instead of spending a arm and a leg for a trio
would post a pic but idk how to i belive there called Sanshoku sword tails could this color be a from crossing platys and sword tail if so wich one
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Besides Sanshoku Swordtails there is also Showa swordtails you can find these on the internet too! Which tend not to cost as much as Sanshoku Swordtails on the internet. However they are not really all that expensive unless you are talking breeder stock that are have a certain percentage base in being pure bred strains.

Genetics take time to understand in Livebearers and I don't think that many will have an explicit answer in the development of Snashoku Swordtails however I would think that Painted Swordtails strain was involved in a cross with Koi Swordtails to develope the Snashoku Swordtail and with selective linebreeding the developer developed the line that you are referring to.

It takes many years of dedication and seperation of males and females, with several tanks to develope strains to be purebreeding in livebearers.

A good club to belong to for reference is the American Livebearer Association. They may have some detailed information available in the development of the strain your refering to.

American Livebearer Association

The American Livebearer Association actually has their annual show coming up in Cleveland this year where many exotic domestic and wild type livebearers will be on display and possibly in their auction.

Just to let you know the Pet Shop that I work at in Canada can order all three swordtails involved in this discussion but we do not offer internet sales. So they really are not that expensive. However if you are thinking about getting pure strains often it is best to deal with a breeder of the strains that you are wanting.

On a personal note I do know of a breeder in the United States that sells this strain in Hi Fin Lyretail so I am thinking this is why you think they are expensive as a whole but that strain breeds pure.

American Livebearer Association

rhessling 02-06-2011 02:27 AM

yes you are corret i was looking at buying a trio of pure breed lyertail hifin but im will to settel for some thing less i guess ill half to do some more looking i talked to my lfs and they have never heard nor can they order them for me is ordering fish on line a pretty good idea will i get good quality fish thanks for all the great info too

mattfishgeek 02-06-2011 08:31 AM

hi ive got a pair of koi swordtails and im expecting some fry from them soon. They are stunning, and ive also got a pair of sanshoku pair on order which im hopeing to breed from aswell. will keep you updated

fan4guppy 02-06-2011 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by rhessling (Post 581595)
yes you are corret i was looking at buying a trio of pure breed lyertail hifin but im will to settel for some thing less i guess ill half to do some more looking i talked to my lfs and they have never heard nor can they order them for me is ordering fish on line a pretty good idea will i get good quality fish thanks for all the great info too

I kind of thought so, regular finned showa swords are available online and so are koi regular swords. We just got some albino regular fin Kois in the store that I work at but we do not do any internet sales.

the Lyretails you are referring to I do believe if you send me the information via message i could tell you if it is the breeder that i know of, his fish are great and has a good reputation if it is the person i am thinking of,

personally speaking about 95% of my fish are from breeders that have been ordered online and now i am on F1 and f2 generations of the fish that i ordered

the only problem that you may face is adapting the fish to your aquarium environment and having a quarantine tank which i find is a must to make sure no pathogens are added into your set up. this tends to be a problem at times as fish sometimes are not properly quarantined even by wholesalers and retailers.

i personally should be getting some soon through another breeder so I will let you know when this may happen ...

rhessling 02-07-2011 02:05 AM

thank you both yes plez keep me up dated


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