Bottom feeders/algae eaters
Which ones do you like, and why?
I think it's time to add some, but I'm having trouble deciding. I've read a lot of the profiles on here... and had decided on yoyo loaches but upon plugging them into aqadvisor, there were quite a few warnings about incompatibility with the tankmates so I feel like I'm back at square one.
My tank is a 67g (see my tank called Minbar under my aquarium tab). It is planted... I think at this point I would say it's moderately planted. There are some rocks that I've arranged to make hiding spots, and also I've added a medium sized piece of driftwood. pH is about 7.8, and the water is fairly hard (I wish I could be more exact on the hardness, but the only test I have for that is a strip - I use the API master liquid test kit for everything else). I keep the temperature around 78-80. Substrate is fairly large gravel.
To give an idea of the sort of fish I would love to see in my home tank... I love otos. I have 3 in my tank at work but I don't think they'd work in my home tank because I assume that the angelfish will eat them eventually. Can anyone suggest something that behaves similarly to otos but would be able to coexist with the fish in my home tank?
8 x harlequin rasbora
5 x angelfish
3 x dalmatian molly (adult)
2 x dalmatian molly (fry)
1 x dwarf gourami
I wouldnt say otos would be a definate no.. I know someone who has a 100g with about 8 angles serpae tetras and some otos.. But it is heavily planted... Providing its heavily plants a good sized group wouldnt be to bad.. Or 2-3 BN Plecos might work...
I would go with 2 or 3 BN on that size tank. I keep BN in my planted tank and they will actually clean algae off the plants without damaging the plants.
I agree with the BN, I have one in my 55 and he keeps it sparkling.
I think you have some other options besides the BN Pleco. I'm a little surprised you're keeping angels in pH 7.8. Likewise, the rasboras. That's a pH that's more suited to the mollys you've got. If you can find Farlowella Cats that have been raised close to that pH level they would also do what you're thinking about.
My favorites are loaches. I keep Yoyos, Clowns, Golden Zebras and Dwarf Chain loaches. I suppose you could say I really like loaches, lol. What reason did aqua advisor give you for why the yoyos were a no-go? In my experience if they are kept in the way they should be kept, (a minimum grouping of five) they will not bother any other inhabitants in the tank, only each other. I find that true of all my loaches. I wouldn't hesitate to say you could add loaches to your tank. The only thing I don't like about your tank is the fairly large gravel. Loaches are constantly rooting around non-stop for food and because of this I have sand substrate. I think cories, while great bottom feeders, wouldn't do well with your larger gravel.
I also keep a few bristlenose and they are also great little fish. Other than the bristlenose there are a number of smaller size plecos that would work in a tank your size. There's also a very small size pleco that almost looks like a giant oto. I can't recall it's name and if you want I can call my LFS when they open (they had a few of them in one of their tanks) and ask them what type of plecos they are. They were VERY cute.
I also have a whiptail catfish and he's pretty nice too, and he's a great bottom feeder. I wanted to do a Farlowella cat but because of my water parameters (which are exactly like yours) I decided not to. You'd have to find a captive bred one that was raised in water parameters such as yours and I think Farlowellas like that are hard to come by. At least in my area they are.
I'm keeping the BN pleco option in mind as a last resort... I don't mind them, but they aren't my favourite. I think it'd be a good fit in my tank, but honestly... I just think they're kind of ugly.
I have never seen/heard of the Farlowella cat in any of the stores around here, but if Kymmie says it wouldn't work in my parameters, I'll believe that to be true... :)
Kymmie if you could find out the name of that other pleco that looks like an oto, that'd be cool... I googled "pleco that looks like an oto" but didn't really get anywhere with that...
The warnings that came up for yoyo loaches were:
Warning: Yoyo Loach is too aggressive to co-exist with Harlequin Rasbora.
Note: Yoyo Loach on rare occasions will reach up to 10 inches in size.
Warning: Yoyo Loach will likely to fin nip Angelfish.
Warning: Yoyo Loach will likely to fin nip Dalmatian Molly.
I am most concerned about the angels... I was having trouble with them (possibly due to the water parameters, as burnsbabe mentioned the ph is a bit high for them) and was actually ready to give up on keeping them in my tank... But then the guy at the pet store told me that he was fairly certain that they had received a number of unhealthy ones recently, and replaced them for me free of charge with some new ones that he believed to be in good health. So, I don't want to risk any extra stress on these ones, as they seem to be doing well so far.
Aunt Kymmie may be referring to LDA 25 Pit bull Pleco. I have kept them in moderately hard water with little trouble.
I'm still not buying those cautions on the yoyos. My yoyos are housed with Discus(!) and Cardinals. Cardinals are just as small as Rasboras, right?
I've never seen my yoyos ever, not even once, get anywhere near my Discus or Cardinals.
I've never kept Angels but I'm pretty sure Discus are more sedate and slow moving than Angels, but I could be very wrong.
I've had my yoyos for over two years and the largest one is 5". They are fed very well and I have a hard time believing that any one of them will ever top at out 10", but once again, I could be wrong. That being said, I think a pitbull pleco is a perfect choice for your tank.
I have 5 zebra loaches. I love loaches so much, I wanted clowns but they get to big for my size tank (30gallon). Anyway, I have Hengels Rasbora which are slightly smaller then your rasbora and I have never seen the loaches bother them. They are kinda greedy and they will swim up to level to snatch some flakes, this startles my rasbora and tetras but the loaches never harm them.
I also have a BN pleco, and some people do think they are ugly but I think they look awesome and they are fun to watch. In fact when I drop an algea waffer in the BN will attach onto it, sometimes all 5 loaches come up and take turns nipping at the other end of the waffer, the BN does not care, they just all get along. The loaches swim all around the BN and even kinda lay on top of him but i never one saw them nip at anything.
Like others have told me on this fourm, its your tank, you should get what you want. While planning my tank I was going to give up on loaches, but I got zebras. Maybe you could get those since they are smaller then yoyos. I think whats most important if you get anyloaches is to keep them in a group of at least 5. The more the merrier and as long as they have enough friends they may not even notice the angels.
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