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eatmysox 10-28-2010 08:55 PM

Quick Replys on Breeding Rams
 
So I got a group of six german blue rams on last sunday at an auction. I just was looking in the tank and one of them is sitting in the corner and has laid eggs on one of my amazon swords? would they do this without a male in the tank? I have no idea how to raising them or breed them or anything. Help me please!!!

Ostara 10-28-2010 09:13 PM

I'm not sure I understand... You bought six, and one has laid eggs, but there are no males in the tank? Are all six in the same tank? It's unlikely that all six would be females if they were a random group.

I've never heard of one laying eggs without a male, but someone else may know of it happening. I wouldn't worry about raising them yet though; I have had several pairs of rams that have spawned quite a few times and yet never seen them hatch. (In fact, all of the GBRs I have had have spawned within 48 hours of being added to the tank. No trouble getting them to do that!) It usually takes time and trial and error for them to become good parents, and if there are any other fish in the tank they'll try to eat the eggs/fry. Even if they are fertile and do manage to hatch, the others would pick off the fry. If breeding is your goal you'll definitely need to do some research on them, but I wouldn't worry about this batch. :-)

eatmysox 10-28-2010 10:23 PM

Watching them it seems that there are two that seem like parents they are bunkered down in an amazon sword and are protecting their eggs from anything that comes near. I have no idea on the male to female ratio in the tank yet as I haven't had much time to observe them (university course work is really time consuming, and having a part time job to pay for it is even worse). there are other fish in there. 12 neon tetras (6 normal 6 albino) 6 lemon tetras, 6 "assorted" cories (haven't had time to look into them either). A pair of hatchetfish (only could find two in my whole region). I would love if they hatched but i guess I will just wait and see. The ph is 6 and the temp is at 80

1077 10-29-2010 05:17 AM

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Originally Posted by eatmysox (Post 502135)
Watching them it seems that there are two that seem like parents they are bunkered down in an amazon sword and are protecting their eggs from anything that comes near. I have no idea on the male to female ratio in the tank yet as I haven't had much time to observe them (university course work is really time consuming, and having a part time job to pay for it is even worse). there are other fish in there. 12 neon tetras (6 normal 6 albino) 6 lemon tetras, 6 "assorted" cories (haven't had time to look into them either). A pair of hatchetfish (only could find two in my whole region). I would love if they hatched but i guess I will just wait and see. The ph is 6 and the temp is at 80


Although the 80 degrees F temp is suitable for the Rams,it is much too warm for the neons and the cory's who both would do much better in the longterm with temps not much above 76 degrees F.
Temps listed for fish species are often temps that they may expierience in the wild during seasonal changes,or perhaps they are temps that fishes prefer for spawning,or they could reflect temps that occur between early morning ,or noon time. In the wild ,fish can simply move to deeper cooler water or warmer water such as that found with little or no cover overhead. In the aquarium this is not possible.
The neons and cory's will always do better in cooler temps as opposed to warmer water and when kept at warmer temps they often die a premature death.

Byron 10-30-2010 06:54 PM

I concur with what has been posted from others. As you asked for guidance on the spawning, I'll add my experience with this species.

While differentiating sexes in immature fish can sometimes be difficult with this species, in a group together the male tendency to push away all other males, and usually protect a chosen female, is quite obvious; I have observed it in store tanks, and it is a good way to purchase a pair if spawning is wanted.

While they may be fairly good parents even from the start, the presence of so many other fish in a community tank is usually too much even for seasoned parents. Catfish (like Corydoras) that are active during total darkness when the cichlids are not will often find the eggs or later the fry and that's game over. I have observed this frequently with my present pair of Bolivian Rams in the 115g tank, and formerly my common rams in the 90g lost the fry to the Corydoras in daylight that time.

If you do want to raise a future spawn, be prepared to devote considerable time to feeding the fry. Isolating the pair in a smaller tank, like a 15g, will result in spawning and hatching, but then comes the feeding several times a day of small live food to the fry. Brine shrimp works with cichlids, but hatching out brine shrimp eggs every day will require some time from you.

I already noted by agreement with prior posts, but I particularly re-iterate 1077's advice on the temperature.

Byron.


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