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wised 10-25-2010 10:16 AM

newbie with Tropical fish needs answers
Hi everyone need some ideas i have 110 liter tank (30 gallons) with

Tiger Barb (Puntius tetrazona) x2
angel fish (Pterophyllum scalare) x1
Glass Catfish¨(Kryptopterus bicirrhis) x1
Krebensis (Pelvicachromis Pulcher Super Red) x2
red tail shark (Epalzeorhynchus bicolor) X1

and 2 cleaning fish

what fish could i add with these types, I really want a betta but i think it would be attacked by the angel...

thanks for the help

sik80 10-25-2010 10:27 AM

There are a number of issues with the fish you already have in the tank. Firstly tiger barbs, angel fish and glass catfish are all best kept in groups of 5 or preferably more fish. Keeping these fish in groups allows them to exhibit thier natural behaviour, reduces aggression in the tank, reduce stress on the fish and makes for healthier fish. Tiger barbs are especially are likely to be aggressive towards other species when kept in low numbers.

I would defiantelly not add a betta to this tank as the tager barbs and red tailed shark will pick on it.

There are also some other issues regarding the mix of fish you have, but i'll let someone else take over from here as i gotta go!

Byron 10-25-2010 01:36 PM

I agree, there is trouble just waiting to occur, and that means stressed fish which equals unhealthy fish. You will note the fish names in your first post are shaded; that means there is an information profile on that species in our fish and plant profiles. Click on the shaded name to see that fish's profile, it will have information on how many to have, the minimum tank size, water parameter preferences, and suitable (if any) fish in the same tank. You can also get to the profiles via the second tab from the left in the blue bar across the top of the screen.

And welcome to Tropical Fish Keeping forum. I'm sure you will find lots of good advice from our members, and be sure to make use of our profiles.


wised 10-25-2010 02:15 PM

the fish that we got was from a friend and he had all these fish for 1 year and he never had a problem so i am not sure should i still be wary. and the two other cleaning fish and eel i have are

Kuhli Loach (Pangio kuhlii) x1
The Bushy Nose Pleco (Ancistrus sp.) x1

Inga 10-25-2010 02:27 PM

Tiger Barbs, as I am sure you have noticed are very active fish. They definitely will pick at other fish but this can be minimized by keeping them in groups. I would say a minimum of 8. I have noticed that in my case, 8 seemed to be the magic number to keep them more "peaceful" and they keep their rough housing play to themselves. That said, a 30 gallon tank is not big enough for that many fish, especially very active swimmers like the Tiger Barb.

Red tail shark is both too big and too aggressive for a 30 gallon tank, let alone with these other choices of fish.

Are you planning to upgrade to a larger tank anytime soon?
a tank that is a minimum of 4 feet long would work better for these fish.

The old saying "they only grow to the size of the tank" isn't true. A fish will keep growing but if it is kept in a tank too small, the internal organs will become deformed or compressed and can lead to illness and even earlier death.

I am so glad that you found this forum. It was a Godsend for me when I was starting my first tank as well. I think I made many mistakes in the beginning. We can all learn better ways so it is helpful to get the information needed here. Good luck to you and Welcome to the forum.

Byron 10-25-2010 03:00 PM


Originally Posted by wised (Post 499714)
the fish that we got was from a friend and he had all these fish for 1 year and he never had a problem so i am not sure should i still be wary. and the two other cleaning fish and eel i have are

Kuhli Loach (Pangio kuhlii) x1
The Bushy Nose Pleco (Ancistrus sp.) x1

With respect, neither you nor I nor your friend can possibly know if there were or were not any problems. Fish are living creatures that nature programs a certain way, and there is only so much "tinkering" we can do before it hurts the fish. Internal stress-related issues are basically invisible outwardly--until the fish suddenly dies, or in some cases becomes extremely aggressive, or sometimes just the opposite. If you were put in a locked room with a bear, and the bear didn't attack you, would you still feel safe and be happy? Or would you be stressed with wondering when? Fish are no different; this situation is stressful.

VTonic 10-26-2010 11:43 PM

I 100% agree with the others here. The mixture of fish you have now may appear to be fine but im certain that the stress level of your fish are extremly high. It may not be showing signs now but eventually you will find that fish just start dieing for apperantly no reason. You should deffinetly start reading the info about all the different species and their specific requirments and compatibility here on the site. Its a tab you can go to (second from left I believe).
You realy should do something about this situation you have before it becoms a real issue.

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