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xxmurrxx 10-14-2010 07:14 PM

Starting Equipment - Couple Questions
 
I went to a couple local fish stores and got some conflicting information and I would like to clarify.

My goal is to start up a 15 Gal tank with a few clown fish, live rock, and corals in the future.
I have all of my freshwater equipment but from what I read and what they told me at the stores I should get a new filter. One store recommended a bio-wheel filter.

The prices were very different store to store, What is a good make and model that will perform but wont break the bank?

Also lighting, i have a tube light that is part of my tank lid. Will I be able to put the lighting into that light to allow corals to grow or would I have to purchase a whole new unit?
The two different stores gave me different answers, one trying to sell me a $150.

If I do need a new light, what is a good make and model I can get that again wont break the bank?

Other than a heater, water testing gear, is there anything else I would absolutely need?

Any info would help i'm sure.
Thanks.

pretzelsz 10-14-2010 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by xxmurrxx (Post 492631)
Other than a heater, water testing gear, is there anything else I would absolutely need?

Yes. To read this http://www.tropicalfishkeeping.com/saltwater-articles/

As for clownfish. At max 2 and that is pushing it for 15 gallons. Most in those articles will answer your questions.

After you read those come back with any questions. Stores are more interested in money then helping the customer be successful so buy fish if they are good. Buy LR if it is nice. But do not listen to most of what they say ask us go there ask for something with no doubt in your words so they don't try to trick you into buying something useless and cost you more cash.

Pasfur 10-14-2010 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by xxmurrxx (Post 492631)
My goal is to start up a 15 Gal tank with a few clown fish, live rock, and corals in the future.
I have all of my freshwater equipment but from what I read and what they told me at the stores I should get a new filter. One store recommended a bio-wheel filter.

Whatever store recommended the biowheel is a store that you should no longer give your business. The idea of using this type of filter on a marine tank is just silly. Why? The biowheel is designed to convert organic wastes into nitrate. In a marine system, our goal is to keep Nitrate at or near zero. To intentionally utilize a filtration system which introduces Nitrate into the water is counter productive.

The live rock and sand bed will serve as all the biological filtration you need on a 15 gallon tank. I would personally add a small hang on protein skimmer to directly remove organic waste from the water. Throw in a small power head for water circulation, and your filtration is complete.

This would be the perfect skimmer AquaC Nano Remora Protein Skimmer, but it might be a bit more than you care to spend. However, even on a small tank the skimmer will very quickly pay for itself. Far less water changes and less use of buffers means money saved!

bearwithfish 10-14-2010 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Pasfur (Post 492675)
Whatever store recommended the biowheel is a store that you should no longer give your business. The idea of using this type of filter on a marine tank is just silly. Why? The biowheel is designed to convert organic wastes into nitrate. In a marine system, our goal is to keep Nitrate at or near zero. To intentionally utilize a filtration system which introduces Nitrate into the water is counter productive.

The live rock and sand bed will serve as all the biological filtration you need on a 15 gallon tank. I would personally add a small hang on protein skimmer to directly remove organic waste from the water. Throw in a small power head for water circulation, and your filtration is complete.

This would be the perfect skimmer AquaC Nano Remora Protein Skimmer, but it might be a bit more than you care to spend. However, even on a small tank the skimmer will very quickly pay for itself. Far less water changes and less use of buffers means money saved!

+1 nuf said!!

denrgb 10-14-2010 10:27 PM

+1 on what Pasfur said.

Also, yes, if you're going to want to keep coral and anemones (for the clowns) in the tank you're definitely going to need some better lighting. Take a look at some T5 HO lighting fixtures.

xxmurrxx 10-16-2010 11:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Pasfur (Post 492675)
The live rock and sand bed will serve as all the biological filtration you need on a 15 gallon tank. I would personally add a small hang on protein skimmer to directly remove organic waste from the water. Throw in a small powe

Will i be find during the cycle process with just a protein skimmer?
I plan on adding 3/4 "dead" rock and 1/4 live rock along with live sand or stone. Will I be fine for cycling with only the little live rock at the start?


Also a little conflicting information I received, does the live rock and sand actually "die" during the cycle? or just some of it?

Sorry if it seems like a silly question, trying to put it all together.

Pasfur 10-17-2010 10:38 AM

The word "just" when used to describe the protein skimmer doesn't give it due respect! Not only are you fine with "just" the skimmer, all you want is the skimmer! Not only during the cycle, but ongoing for the life of the tank, the skimmer, along with live rock and sand, will be the lifeline of your tank.

If you have any fears, just check out my 180 thread http://www.tropicalfishkeeping.com/s...r-build-21979/. In fact, you can see from almost every thread in our Pictures & Videos area, that just about 100% of the successful tanks on this forum are run using "just" a skimmer.

Live rock does not die during the cycle. In fact, you probably won't have much of a cycle at all, because all of the necessary bacteria for breaking down ammonia and nitrite are already present in the rock. On the flip side, when buying fresh live rock which has just arrived at the LFS, the rock will often have to "cure", which means that some of the life which lives ON the rock and INSIDE the rock will die. Don't worry, we aren't talking about high life forms here, just your basic sponges, algaes, and various microfauna. But in most cases, the rock you buy is already cured, and you may only experience a 2 or 3 day brief spike in ammonia and nitrite.

xxmurrxx 10-17-2010 11:21 AM

Thanks for the information.
I picked up that exact protein skimmer locally used for a little bit of a deal, and some other basic gear from someone who was getting out of saltwater aquarium keeping.

Im sure there will be questions to follow before I actually start but thanks for now!

xxmurrxx 10-18-2010 02:06 PM

The link you provided for the proteinskimmer, are they a pretty good online store to deal with?

www.marineandreef.com ?
looking into the lighting and they seem pretty reasonable.

Pasfur 10-21-2010 07:06 AM

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Originally Posted by xxmurrxx (Post 495021)
The link you provided for the proteinskimmer, are they a pretty good online store to deal with?

www.marineandreef.com ?
looking into the lighting and they seem pretty reasonable.

I've never had any problems with them. I use www.marineandreef.com for equipment, Aquarium Supplies, Pet Supplies and Pond Supplies by That Fish Place - That Pet Place for equipment and routine foods/additives, and Marco Rocks The finest aquarium rock available, base rock, live rock, reef rock, marco rock, reef tank saltwater fish, live corals, Marco rocks, Fiji live rock, Tonga Live rock for my dry rock.


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