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ELIMINATOR 10-13-2010 02:02 PM

Stupid question but needs to be answered
 
Hi Folks, first post on this forum, I have not had fish for over 25 years, but my son is looking at getting some. But not sure to go for tropical or coldwater.

What temp can your standard guppie, neon tetra, platty live at ?

What temp could roach, tench, koi, carp live at ?

Or the big question, could they all be kept in a large tank in the living room ?

thanks

Romad 10-13-2010 02:35 PM

Hello and welcome to the forum. You can find the answers to most of your fish requirements at the top of the page in Tropical Fish Profiles (second from left in the dark blue bar under Tropical Fishkeeping.com).

I wouldn't attempt to keep the coldwaters and tropicals together in a tank no matter what the size is. What size tank are you talking by the way?

Have fun deciding.

beachcire 10-13-2010 02:36 PM

You can find information about some of these fish in the Tropical Fish Profiles. There is a link at the top of the page.

To answer your question regarding temps
Guppy -- 72 - 84
Neon Tetra -- 68 - 78
Platty -- No warmer than 76
Loach -- YoYo is 76 - 82 / Clown Loach is 77 - 86 .....There are quite a few different varieties
Tench -- In the Carp family, could not find much info regarding temp requirements
Koi -- Considered and ornamental Carp, 59 - 77 according to wikipedia
Carp -- Most would probably be around the same as the Koi I would think

The Loachs I listed require warmer water than the others so I think those would not work but as far as keeping the others together, I could not honestly answer that question but I would think that the smaller fish could become snacks for the larger Carps. Koi and Tench tend to be outdoor pond fish.

What size tank would you want to put all of these together in?

Best of luck.

ELIMINATOR 10-13-2010 03:08 PM

Thanks for the replies,

so I am looking at a 72 -75 temp to keep both kinds happy.

Tank size is to start small with a 3ft x 1ft x 18in

My plan is for some basic tropical fish and some small native UK fish, no more than a few inches long. when too large for the indoor tank then released into a pond or lake.

maybe 8 neon tetra, 6 guppy, 4 platty, 1 small tench, 1 small ghost koi, 1 small crucian carp, 2 stone loach and 6 small roach ( 3inch )

I know it does not sound a lot as they will all be small fish, but due to not ever mixing them before it would leave space in the tank for escape if needed, I intend also to provide lots of cover for the tropical fish to hide in.

I could use some advice on plants for the tank please that would be suitable but not to overpowering.

thanks

Spooki 10-13-2010 03:25 PM

Keeping fish at "middle ground" when it comes to water quality and temperature doesn't do anyone any good. It's making everyone settle for sub-par care. Why not test your water as far as pH and hardness go and pick fish that will work best with that? And choose fish that all like the same temperature. I feel it's best in the long run to meet each fish's individual needs and let them thrive rather that just merely survive.

I would not keep "small" koi or carp with smaller fish like neons, they'll be lunch.

aunt kymmie 10-13-2010 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by ELIMINATOR (Post 491875)

My plan is for some basic tropical fish and some small native UK fish, no more than a few inches long. when too large for the indoor tank then released into a pond or lake.

This is never a good idea, and also illegal in many areas. It's one thing to release "natives" but to release anything other than a native can dramatically effect the ecosystem in a very negative way. I won't get up on my soap box (no one here wants to hear it anyway :lol:) but I hope you'll reconsider.

ELIMINATOR 10-13-2010 04:21 PM

I think your both missunderstanding me, the temp of 72 - 75 is suitable for all the fish I mentioned, as listed at the top of the thread, and the only ones I would release would be the breed that are already in the ponds anyway.

The neons as lunch may be a possibility, but not if the other fish are small too, but too big to get in the hiding area.

aunt kymmie 10-13-2010 04:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ELIMINATOR (Post 491919)
I think your both missunderstanding me, the temp of 72 - 75 is suitable for all the fish I mentioned, as listed at the top of the thread, and the only ones I would release would be the breed that are already in the ponds anyway.

The neons as lunch may be a possibility, but not if the other fish are small too, but too big to get in the hiding area.

Yes, I did misunderstand. I'm glad I did! Thanks for clarifying. :-)

Spooki 10-13-2010 04:33 PM

While they can tolerate those temperatures they're not a good match for other reasons. Neons prefer peat filtered soft, acidic water. The koi is going to want hard, alkaline water. They can adapt but they are certainly at their best when you replicate their native waters.

ELIMINATOR 10-13-2010 04:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spooki (Post 491929)
While they can tolerate those temperatures they're not a good match for other reasons. Neons prefer peat filtered soft, acidic water. The koi is going to want hard, alkaline water. They can adapt but they are certainly at their best when you replicate their native waters.

Ah, now your talking on the professional side of things and very in depth.

I was thinking along the lines of, the koi are often kept in large tanks or display pools with nothing else in the water, yet are quite happy to live in most conditions and feed on the bottom in the the junk.
And much the same for the neons, mostly on display in plain tanks were then can spend there whole lives on flake at top and midwater.

But I do understand what you are pointing out, in a nateral enviroment they would prefer to be totaly seperate conditions.


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