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Ostara 10-03-2010 05:09 PM

Assistance Identifying Plants?
 
Hey guys! I'm hoping some plant experts out there can help me identify some of what's in my tank. I've been picking up plants at my LFS to replant my tank, but unfortunately they're unlabeled and the staff have no idea what any of them are. Since I can't identify them I don't really know where to place them, so they've just been stuck everywhere to get established. I've tried looking through plant profiles but I'm really not too confident in my ID capabilities.

Things I know are in there: Java fern & moss, giant hairgrass, dwarf hairgrass, vallisneria, pennywort. There are about eight others that I'd love some help on.

I've got some pictures, though I was having a heck of a time getting my camera to focus on the plants and they're not the best. Also, please ignore the steadily decreasing numbers of cardinal tetra. The poor things had neon tetra disease; it wiped out most of them. (And to the couple of outdated sites I found still claiming they weren't affected by it, immune my foot! :roll:)

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4149/...944e9552_b.jpg
Unidentified: Front, L to R- Two of same long-stemmed, broad-leafed plants (they were very tall but the upper leaves dried out in transport), strangely leafy bunch that I'm not entirely convinced is aquatic, sword-like plant, two small leftover plants (very front), three tall leafy stem plants, bright-green crypt-looking thing.
Middle, L to R- very large, round-leafed plant, pennywort, three of same longer-leafed plants.

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4147/...25aefa56_b.jpg
Another shot... (the distortion from the bowfront makes that apisto look HUGE in this picture.)

Better shots of the ones in the back, since I really want that roundish leafed one IDed:
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4153/...c8ecc599_b.jpg

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4108/...f51f1d84_b.jpg


Hopefully someone can tell me what these things are! I'd like to get to aquascaping soon, but I don't know where to put anything. :-D

Byron 10-03-2010 06:07 PM

The tall, larger-leaf [plants in a sort of row across the middle are sword plants, Echinodorus species. The 3 on the right are most likely E. bleherae or E. amazonicus, the one on the left is possibly E. horizontalis or maybe E. cordifolius. All of these will get large, they will grow to the height of the tank in several months. I would move the E. bleherae/amazonicus close to the back, about 5 inches from the rear wall, and move them apart; they will grow to 10-12 inches around so they need room. And the broad-leaf sword similar, this could be a nice "specimen" plant off-centre on the left or right. All these need a deep substrate (gravel), 3 inches minimum but preferably 4-5. They have very extensive root systems.

The small front plants are also swords, I can't be sure about species. The slightly larger busy plant on the far right is a crypt, prob the green form of Cryptocoryne walkeri. This will grow nicely where it is, and it will tolerate shade from other taller plants.

Several of the plants are in our profiles, second tab from the left in the blue bar at the top, where you can find more info on them.

The commonly-called Neon Tetra disease will actually affect most tetra species. I have had it or seen it on cardinals, rummynose, several Hyphessobrycon species, Loreto tetra, etc.

Byron.

redchigh 10-05-2010 01:16 PM

I agree that the small plant in the right foreground is a crypt. Could be wrong, but I'm thinking crypt wendtii green.

The stem plant to the right of the pennywort... Perhaps some sort of hygrophila?
It will get tall as well.

Ostara 10-06-2010 12:52 AM

Thank you both! I'm thinking E. horazontalis and bleheri for the middle swords, and perhaps Crypt. walkeri. Whatever kind of crypt it is, it loves that spot and is growing like crazy already. And looking at the cordifolius again, I'm almost certain that that is what the two small swords that lost their taller stalks are. I'd jotted it down as a possibility for them before but comparing their new leaves makes me a bit more certain.

I definitely think that the three stalks are some sort of hygrophilia, though I guess I'm going to have to wait and watch them grow a bit to see which type. I'm thrilled that most of these are going to get big since they'll all be going in my 55 when I set it up.

And Neon Tetra disease was only named after the first species it was seen in, as I recall. I was referring to the fact that quite a few sites (including the profile for it on this forum) still claim that cardinals are "immune" or "not affected" by it unlike other tetra, which I assume is just outdated information.

Byron 10-06-2010 12:56 PM

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I was referring to the fact that quite a few sites (including the profile for it on this forum) still claim that cardinals are "immune" or "not affected" by it unlike other tetra, which I assume is just outdated information.
This puzzled me so I had a look at our profile of the cardinal, and I can't see where it says this. Have I missed it?

redchigh 10-06-2010 01:12 PM

I searched the profiles- the only reference to neon tetra disease was in the neon tetra profile.

Quote:

They are quite vulnerable to Neon Tetra Disease(NTD) caused by Pleistophora. NTD does not have a cure unfortunately. There are several claims for their remedy but it has yet to be proven quite effective enough to battle NTD. All you can do is strengthen their immune system by varying the food diet and do regular tank maintenance. On the side note, not only the neon tetras are said to be afflicted by the NTD but other fish particularly tetras and the danios as well.
http://www.tropicalfishkeeping.com/p...#ixzz11b00t6Eb

Although one odd thing- do neon tetras really hit an inch and a half? hmm.

Ostara 10-06-2010 04:01 PM

Oops, by profile for it I meant the profile for NTD in the disease thread that is stickied, not the cardinal tetra's profile. (Here.) It just needs a little updating to mention that cardinals are equally affected, I think. Like I said, I encountered the same misconception on several other sites so I'm assuming that the claims that cardinals are immune are just outdated. Perhaps it showed up in them later.

Byron 10-06-2010 07:06 PM

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Although one odd thing- do neon tetras really hit an inch and a half?
Yes, according to ichthyologists. In many aquaria, sadly, neons (and many of the characins) are not properly provided for; this can manifest itself in several ways such as less colour, shorter lifespan, more susceptibility to health issues (weaker immune system), smaller size, eggs not hatching if they do spawn, etc. The water parameters have much to do with this, but also water conditions, tank sizes, filtration, light... . Also, tank raised fish are frequently less "hardy" than wild fish with successive generations. I suspect all of this is inter-related.

redchigh 10-07-2010 02:52 PM

Well, hmm.

Quote:

Neons are very vulnerable to NTD but this is also found among cichlids, danios, rasboras and other species. There have been several reports that so far only the cardinal tetras are immune to this disease.
Read more: http://www.tropicalfishkeeping.com/t...#ixzz11hjz9QJI


It does say "There are reports", but someone might wanna PM lupin.


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