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brandelion 09-30-2010 11:19 AM

question about ich treatment...
 
I haven't been here in a while... things have been quiet since most of my fish were wiped out a month or 2 ago.. (lost 7 black neon tetras and a neon blue dwarf gourami all in about 48 hours apparently to ich) leaving me with one dwarf gourami and a spotted cory... both of whom were doing well so I was relectant to mess with things... until this past weekend.. I finally bit the bullet and replaced my black neon tetras and got a few ottos (yeah yeah too many fish at once...playing by the rules hasn't brought me much luck so I just said 'whatever') -- anyway... guess what!!
2 days later I woke up to one dead tetra.. I chalked that up to the shock of the move... but then started noticing those darn white spots on the remaining tetras

this morning I noticed at least one of them also has some weird greyish patches (fungus maybe??)

anyway... last time I had no medicine and being at least 45 minutes from a store (and without a car) decided to try treating the ich (it was assumed to be ich anyway) with heat (raised the temp slowly up to about 88) as was suggested by a couple people here -- but I think it may have been too little too late as like I said, they all died...

this time I made sure to buy some rid-ich while I was there buying replacement fish... thankfully!!

now my question is... the bottle says to remove the carbon... does that mean remove the filter cartridge altogether... or just cut a hole in the fiber pouch and shake it out??

if I shake it all out then I assume I just need to replace the entire filter cartridge when I'm done treating the fish??

also... assuming these grey patches are something else.. should I also be treating the fish for a possible fungus infection as well?? I have some pimafix... I don't know if it would be worth it to throw some of that in there as well... just as a precaution.. any ideas?

thanks :)

Calmwaters 09-30-2010 11:30 AM

You can do it either way cut it and shake it out or just turn the filter off while treating. You will need to replace the filter any way after treatment so the carbon can absorb the left over meds in the water. What ick med did you get? If it just treats ick then I would add the Primafix if it treats other stuff I would just use it.

brandelion 09-30-2010 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Calmwaters (Post 482658)
You can do it either way cut it and shake it out or just turn the filter off while treating. You will need to replace the filter any way after treatment so the carbon can absorb the left over meds in the water. What ick med did you get? If it just treats ick then I would add the Primafix if it treats other stuff I would just use it.

well I assume I shouldn't shut the filter off altogether as I imagine somewhere on he thing (in addition to the carbon filter cartridge) is something containing beneficial bacteria that will die without the water flowing through... no??

as for the medicine... it's rid-ich+ (says it treats ich and other external protozoan dinoflagellate and fungus diseases of fish)

Calmwaters 09-30-2010 11:46 AM

Ok I would just go with the treatment you have since it also treats fungus. What I have done before is just make a small whole and shake out the carbon, then when treatment is over get some loose carbon and add it back into your filter that way you don't lose the benifical bacteria.

brandelion 09-30-2010 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Calmwaters (Post 482673)
Ok I would just go with the treatment you have since it also treats fungus. What I have done before is just make a small whole and shake out the carbon, then when treatment is over get some loose carbon and add it back into your filter that way you don't lose the benifical bacteria.

the thing is wet and the carbon doesn't wanna come out... there's no way I'll get it all out..certainly not with just a small hole... I had to rip a pretty big hole in it and still it doesn't wanna come out - hmmm

I assume there is other beneficial bacteria elsewhere in/on the filter itself?? (NOT on the carbon filter cartridge??)

LisaC144 09-30-2010 12:05 PM

Why would you cut it and remove it? Just pull the whole cartridge out and put it back in when treatment is over. You have plenty of bacteria in the gravel, on plants, ornaments, the rest of the filter, etc. you will not have a mini-cycle just from pulling out the carbon.

RidIch is what I have used with huge success. Never lost a fish to Ich using it. I personally would not use PimaFix at this time. Too much medication at once is not a good thing. You could do more harm than good by mixing meds.

brandelion 09-30-2010 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by LisaC144 (Post 482684)
Why would you cut it and remove it? Just pull the whole cartridge out and put it back in when treatment is over. You have plenty of bacteria in the gravel, on plants, ornaments, the rest of the filter, etc. you will not have a mini-cycle just from pulling out the carbon.

RidIch is what I have used with huge success. Never lost a fish to Ich using it. I personally would not use PimaFix at this time. Too much medication at once is not a good thing. You could do more harm than good by mixing meds.

thanks :) -- that's what I was gettin' at... the setup is relatively new (under 6 months) - but it should be good by now...

I just added some rid-ich (water is now a pretty turquoise) - YAY!! hope it doesn't stain the white rock I have in there!! :/

anyway... as I was adding the rid-ich I noticed one of my tetras laying on it's side on top of the terra cotta pot... hopefully it's not too late for him

brandelion 09-30-2010 02:15 PM

well... not soon enough for sick tetra number 2... but as he was sucked to the filter I could see that his tail is missing

this happened with one of my last batch of tetras... someone suggested maybe the gourami had attacked it.. but since it was just one of them I blew it off

now I'm wondering :/

Calmwaters 09-30-2010 03:31 PM

Sorry about you loseing another fish. It could be that the gourami picked on him after he was dead. Lisa is right you could just remove the whole cartridge you will have to excuse me if I miss the easy way to do it I am on some strong pain meds for my back and my brain does not work at 100% right now. LOL

Ponyo 09-30-2010 04:39 PM

Sorry you have to deal with this. When I treated with meds, I took out the carbon filter insert and replaced it with a plain sponge from the pet store to help catch debris. You shouldn't lose all the beneficial bacteria if the tank is cycled, but the medication might kill it off. Hopefully, the label will tell you.


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