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fish_4_all 04-10-2007 03:41 PM

My newest snails
 
Well I don't know for sure which ones they are but I got them and got 3 of them in hopes I would get a male and female if it is actually needed.

Got a nice picture of the air tube right away so I thought I would share it.

http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l2...snailBeige.jpg

Two of them are for sure the same. Same color body, same shape shell and same 90 degree angles to the shell. The third I am not sure about because the body is peachish orange and the shell does not seem to have the same angle, seems more acute but not sure. Might just be deformed though because it can't pull in the cover all the way and it isn't in the best shape, shell wise anyway. Kind of rescued it but I think it will get growing well and will be able to function normally sooner or later.

If they are 2 different species, will they interbreed or will mysteries not do this?

Trishfish 04-10-2007 04:00 PM

Nice pic. Congrats on your snails. I just love mine. Different pomacea can breed together but I can't for the life of me remember if the eggs will be fertile or not. I'm thinking not but I'll post again if I can find the info. I've never had to worry about it.

You can sex them pretty easily if you can peek into their shell. You have the siphon on one side, and a penile sheath (or not!) on the other side. If yours are about an inch big and female, keep in mind they can store sperm for months so you may still get fertile eggs. Sometimes two females together will "mate" and lay eggs, which obviously won't get you any babies.

fish_4_all 04-10-2007 04:37 PM

Well I have been watching the two I think are the same pretty close and I think they are male and female. The one I have a picture of doesn't have anything extra in the oposite side but the large darker one does. Maybe I will get lucky. If I don't have eggs in a week or two I will get a couple more. The tank they are in just has neon tetras so the tank can handle them. Hopefully my loaches will be having lots to eat sooner or later. That is if I can get the eggs to hatch.

http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l2...allMystery.jpg
This one is almost certainly not the same species but I can't say because of the shell condition. It is different colored but I have never seen that being an indicator. The body is a different color but this too has not been something i have seen that is considered an indicator so I guess it is off to do some research.
http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l2...sterySnail.jpg
I think this one and the one in the first picture are the same although not sure because of the coloring. Would have got a picture of her but she is hiding in the back now.

Trishfish 04-10-2007 05:16 PM

This link may help you figure out what color they are: http://www.applesnails.info/bridgesii_colors.htm. You can have the same species with different colored feet.

It's hard to tell from the angle of the picture but your darker snail may indeed be something other than bridgesii. Brigs have a spiked shell and this one looks much flatter.

fish_4_all 04-10-2007 05:28 PM

It is spiked just eroded away. It is an older one so he is not in the best condition but the selection at the LFS was terrible. Hopefully they will get some others in soon in better shape or I will have to wait until I get some of my own babies to raise them a little better than the breeder did.

The link didn't work either.

Never mind, I fingered it out.
http://www.applesnails.info/bridgesii_colors.htm

Trishfish 04-10-2007 05:34 PM

i just tried the link and one time it loaded and the next time it didn't. It's copied and pasted so I know I didn't type it in wrong. Try reloading it. Or here's part.....

1) What is the snail's foot color?
If light, then go to 2.
If dark, then go to 7.
2) Light foot. What is the snail's shell base color?
If yellow then go to 3.
If white or very close to white, then go to 4.
If green/dark green, then go to 5.
If purple/pink, then go to 6.
3) Light foot, yellow shell base. Does the snail have stripes?
If no stripes, then it is GOLDEN.
If brown stripes, then it is a STRIPED YELLOW*.
4) Light foot, white shell base. Does the snail have stripes?
If no stripes, then it is IVORY.
If red-ish brown or purple stripes, then it is LIGHT STRIPED PURPLE.
5) Light foot, green shell base. Does the snail have stripes?
If no stripes, then it is PLAIN OLIVE.
If brown, black, or dark green stripes, then it is STRIPED OLIVE.
6) Light foot, pink/purple shell base. Does the snail have stripes?
If no stripes, then it is PLAIN PURPLE.
If dark purple stripes, then it is a STRIPED PURPLE.
7) Dark foot. What is the snail's shell base color?
If yellow then go to 8.
If white or very close to white, then go to 9.
If green/dark green, then go to 10.
If purple/pink, then go to 11.
8 Dark foot, yellow shell base. Does the snail have stripes?
If no stripes, then it is JADE (also called Dark Yellow).
If brown stripes, then it is a WILD TYPE.
9) Dark foot, white shell base. Does the snail have stripes?
If no stripes, then it is BLUE.
If red-ish brown or purple stripes, then it is DARK STRIPED PURPLE.
10) Dark foot, green shell base. Does the snail have stripes?
If no stripes, then it is DARK PLAIN OLIVE.
If brown, black, or dark green stripes, then it is DARK STRIPED OLIVE.
11) Dark foot, pink/purple shell base. Does the snail have stripes?
If no stripes, then it is DARK PLAIN PURPLE.
If dark purple stripes, then it is a DARK STRIPED PURPLE.

* Unfortunately, not all colors can be catigorized using those steps, since not all snails fall neatly into the descriptions. Striped Yellow is an example of this. While most Striped Yellow snails are relatively easy to distinguish, some purple forms masquerade as Striped Yellows until they are about 1/2" big, and then they suddenly begin to darken. The stripes become more purple, and the shell base can change color. When this happens, if the snail's shell may become more red and brown toned, in which case the color becomes Burgundy.



BTW, drop the water level in your tank by a few inches so the female has somewhere to lay her clutches. And make sure you cover up any exits with tin foil or something. When she's looking to lay she'll go on a field trip outside of the tank if you're not careful.

fish_4_all 04-11-2007 12:29 AM

I did figure out the link, thank you.

I figured out what is wrong with the one that has the white foot. The shell is scalloped around the openning telling me it has either suffered some damage or it has been improperly cared for. It can not close the door completely nor can it completely retract it's body completely. It is doing well and moving around a lot so I hope it will eat and grow a proper shell that can function the right way and support it's entire body.

Trishfish 04-15-2007 09:42 PM

How are your snailies doing? :)

fish_4_all 04-16-2007 01:19 AM

They are doing ok, I think I got some old ones and they really seem to be kinda lythragic. Little chance of breeding yet but still hoping. Gonna try to find a couple younger/smaller ones and also going to try and find some Colombian Ramshorns if my LFS ever gets them in again.

Trishfish 04-16-2007 06:21 AM

They may still be adjusting or your temp may be a bit cooler than they're used to. They pretty much breed forever.


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