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reverendred 04-10-2007 03:31 AM

blood parrots
 
so in reading on other sites.... many do not favor this fish...

im wondering what do you all think

Lupin 04-10-2007 04:36 AM

Well, I don't. I don't see why we need blood parrots circulating in our hobby. There are several reasons why we abhor the presence of blood parrots.

1. Disease vulnerability. They are often one of the victims commonly dyed. Take note that dyeing can affect their health and even endanger other fish. Lymphocystis, a viral disease often has been found among dyed fish. This disease alone cannot be cured or almost impossible to cure.

2. Injection. We all know there is a method used to dye fish. Mnay people believe that fish do not feel the pain but some sites began finding evidences and it was found out in scientific researches that fish can also feel pain as much as humans do. Some people are now using commercial ink products to dye fish.:shake:

3. Dipping. Another method used. This is also painful. Fish is dipped in acid solution to remove the slime coat and then dipped in dye or food colouring. The dye becomes trapped under the epidermis.

Removal of epidermis and injection method brings the fish to a higher chance of vulnerability to skin diseases because the slime coat is removed. Slime coat serves as protection against protozoa, parasites and the like.

4. Tail piercing. You often see parrots without tails in pet shops. Not everyone even the beginners knew what the fish had gone through. Many people believe they simply mutated so fry don't have tails. The truth: Manufacturers often cut the tails which in my opinion is quite brutal. Fish as mentioned in no. 2 can feel the pain yet again.

5. Diminishing pure strains. Many people believe that hybrids often bring fortune and luck which is why business owners often see the need to increase production of hybrids and eventually convinced even uninformed new hobbyists that these fish are supposed to bring luck to your homes. Things happen by coincidences, not purely by beliefs as others think.

Also, the more we advocate hybridization, several pure strains of fish often are lost. There aren't many platies today that aren't aggressive. I have seen several platies showing belligerence that purely platies do not and are oddly large for their actual size. Only the swordtails would have shown such aggression and not the platies. This is one of a few examples.

6. Mouth functions. Several parrots are deformed and most cannot even close their mouths well thus they starve to death. Another reason why we should not advocate hybridization aside from dyeing.

Furthermore, the dye is not permanent and will wear off as time passes. I do not believe they are permanently dyed.

reverendred 04-10-2007 04:52 AM

i was at a store and they had black ones.... is this an ink variation or a natural appearance?

Lupin 04-10-2007 04:59 AM

Do they appear black on the whole? I have not seen black parrots. Parrots are often white(jellybean parrots usually are) or pink/orange(slight) in coloration.

reverendred 04-10-2007 05:07 AM

they were completely black. there were 2 pale orange ones in the tank with them which i assumed to be closer to original color but the black had me curious.

Lupin 04-10-2007 05:13 AM

It can happen but I've never seen in other forums black parrots.

Any chance of getting pictures of the black ones?:)

Gump 04-10-2007 10:10 AM

I hate these fish.

I would say they are dyed since the fish used to make parrots arnt black.

reverendred 04-10-2007 10:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blue
It can happen but I've never seen in other forums black parrots.

Any chance of getting pictures of the black ones?:)

if i ever get down that way. ill try to snap one for you. it was about 1.5 inches and solid black. there was one that looked like a tiger oscar with black and orange ...'calico' style.

carpy 04-14-2007 01:35 PM

it cant be a natural colour, because they arent natural fish.
i personally hate them and see no reason for us to fiddle around with nature, when there are hundreds of georgeous medium cichlids with a bit of aggression and character. salvini, cryptoheros sajica, thorichthys ellioti to name but a few.

herefishy 04-15-2007 09:52 PM

Parrots are another weak attempt by man to play God for the sake of a dollar.
Selective breeding does have its benefits, but genetic engineering and intentional cross-breeding should be left alone.


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