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Does anyone have the Eclipse 12 system? I wanted to put a much bigger tank in our kitchen, but after crunching numbers many, many times -- financially it does not make sense right now. I bought the eclipse 12 system and it is still sitting in the box. Partially because I am still hoping to find a way to afford the more expensive one... and partially because I am not sure if this smaller tank is what I want to set up. (I tried subsiding my new tank by selling my old one on eBay. I have listed it 3 times and I have been very disappointed. I have lowered the price WAY below what I wanted to and finally got a bid but I am doubting that it is going to go up to where I wanted it to...)
Depending on where I place this smaller tank (one location you will be able to see the back of the tank from the kitchen table), I don't know if I want a HOB filter so I thought the eclipse would be the way to go. I am thinking though if I put in a location where you can't see the back of the tank, a 20 gallon would be around the same price. But, the eclipse has clean looking lines (at least while it is new :) ). I am so torn. I have young ones in the house so I am thinking acrylic is nice so I don't have to worry about weebles going through glass, but on the flip side I will have to worry about it being scratched at they try to write their names on it.
I thought I would try a few live plants in the tank. I went to the fish store yesterday and the guy told me that with the eclipse, I would be replacing them every 6 months cause they would die. I also asked about how to vacuum gravel around the roots without disturbing the roots and the guy acted like I was a total idiot and said the plants would be fine as long as I put 2 pounds of gravel for every gallon of water I had... Then he started talking CO2 injectors -- I do NOT want to get that involved in a small tank... so now I am thinking that I can't put live plants in the tank.
I was told to stay away from Eclipses, its nice to have everything in there already for you, but they are very expensive for the smallest tanks. If you decide to keep it, then decorate the back of the tank. Have your kids draw fishies, cut them out, with some drawn plants, couple bubbles, and voila, beautimous (I think thats how you spell that made up word haha). Also when I started out, my friend who helped me told me there are a piece of poo poo, worst $30 she had ever spent on a tank (it was small).
As for another tank...I think you can get inside the tank filters cant you? I would stay away from undergravel filters, they are more work. You could attempt to make your own hood, so that you can hook a filter on the side closest to the wall. Can you buff acrylic or something? Hmm, not quite sure, so ill let other people take it from here :P But I think the pictures on the back of the tank would be cute, you have young kids, show them off :D
i actually thing the eclipse systems are very good for beginners since it hosts a very good filtration system (good mechanical, good chemical, and incredible bio-logical) and the light isnt that bad. Ha cant get plants? That guy probably didnt know what he was talking about. You cant get all plants thats for sure but there are some low light loving plants like java moss for example that would do fine in those conditions. My java moss in my 20 gallon high tank has 15 watts of light and it still grows. I need to give a bit away to my lfs soon since its too big to manage. If you are planning on getting a bigger tank, dont make this one a community tank and make the big one a community, make it a betta tank or dwarf puffer tank.
I'm actually going to buy the Eclipse 12 very soon....
here's a 6 gallon version of it in action, if it helps...
I also want to know which are the easiest plants to grow that look nice (relatively green thick leaves). Seems like java moss is a good one?
They're expensive and slow growing, but Anubias are good low light plants that look really nice. They have nice thick, waxy looking green leaves (they almost look fake). They're hard to kill on purpose, let alone by accident. Another thing about them that can be convenient if you know about them is that they can be epiphytes. Tie the rhizome to a piece of driftwood, and the roots will grow onto it (use polyester thread r fine fishing line, though - cotton will rot away too quickly).
I've also had really good luck with Hygrophilia corymbosa v. siamensis (lance shaped leaves), Cabomba carolinia (feathery fan shaped leaves), and Hygrophilia difformis (Water wisteria - very odd deeply palmate leaves - really has to be seen to be appreciated) under low light. Cryptocoryne wendetii does alright in low light too (looks like a sword plant, almost, but more delicate).
Ryan, if I interpret Tophat's post correctly, he was referring to Anubias being slow-growing and expensive. I find it all the same too. Fortunately, my friend gave me one instead. I couldn't afford a 500 pesos plant at all.:shake:
Javan moss are quite fast at growing and are undemanding.
Can you give me the approx prices of these plants so I may not get ripped off at the petstore?
I really have no idea what the prices should be.
And it doesn't seem like PetSmart stocks these...
well where do you live (if in america, what state) everywhere has different prices, if you live in a town next to the amazon river where plants are taken from there im sure its very cheap but if you live in hawaii or something it wont be as cheap. At one of my lfs where i buy my plants a lump of java moss about as big as my hand is 2.99 american dollars which i think is cheap. But ive heard of much more expensive moss and sometimes many people cant find them.
IN the metro DC area, for the hygo and cabomba, you're looking at $2 or 3 for a bunch of a dozen stems or so. Anubias are about $10 a plant (for a nice specimen). Java Fern is usually $3-4 fo a nice couple of rhizomes with plenty of leaves (Another good low light epiphyte).
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