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Oliver82 05-17-2010 09:36 PM

Need help with new 10 gallon tank, cloudy water, fish dying
 
Ive had my tank setup for almost 3 weeks now. Although not recommended, I bought 7 fish the first 2 days of having the tank (2 neon tetras, 4 danios, and 1 cory cat). Around 1 week later I added some neon danios, 1 orange platy, 1 marble platy, and 3 live plants. When I initially filled the tank with water i used about 6 gallons of tap water, and 4 gallons purified drinking water; all treated with PRIME. Now, about 1.5 weeks ago I noticed that the water surface has become very cloudy, almost looks like when you spill gas into water, but its a light creamy color. The original 6 fish I bought are all alive and seem fine but the others started dying 1 by 1. They started swimming irradically and then just died. I dont know if the cloudy surface water has anything to do with it or what it could be. The water is otherwise clear asides from the surface. I took a picture with my iphone hopefully u can make it out. Also when i had the water checked the readings were a little high but nothing extreme. Please advise!
P.S. i remember i was cooking with the george foreman grill near the fish tank (its on the kitchen counter top) and noticed the steam was going over the fish tank, could this be related?
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teddyzaper 05-17-2010 11:52 PM

the oily stuff on top happend to me also, i just pointed a powerhead towards the top, and did a water change 1 a week. make sure you do water changes. also do you have any water test kits? if so what kind and what does it say? as far as the dieing fish, dont start adding chemicals until you know what you need, usualy chemicals just hurt rather than help if not used properly.

JohnnyD44 05-18-2010 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Oliver82 (Post 385933)
Ive had my tank setup for almost 3 weeks now. Although not recommended, I bought 7 fish the first 2 days of having the tank (2 neon tetras, 4 danios, and 1 cory cat). Around 1 week later I added some neon danios, 1 orange platy, 1 marble platy, and 3 live plants. When I initially filled the tank with water i used about 6 gallons of tap water, and 4 gallons purified drinking water; all treated with PRIME. Now, about 1.5 weeks ago I noticed that the water surface has become very cloudy, almost looks like when you spill gas into water, but its a light creamy color. The original 6 fish I bought are all alive and seem fine but the others started dying 1 by 1. They started swimming irradically and then just died. I dont know if the cloudy surface water has anything to do with it or what it could be. The water is otherwise clear asides from the surface. I took a picture with my iphone hopefully u can make it out. Also when i had the water checked the readings were a little high but nothing extreme. Please advise!
P.S. i remember i was cooking with the george foreman grill near the fish tank (its on the kitchen counter top) and noticed the steam was going over the fish tank, could this be related?


Welcome to TFK Oliver!!

Before we start jumping to conclusions about what's ailing your tank, although it sounds to me like your going through a cycle, lets get some more informaiton from you:

Do you have a filter on your tank? If so what kind??
--- no filter could be the reason for the "milky" surface. The oily stuff appears when there is no oxygen being exchanged at the surface of the tank. I have it in my planted tank, and many others do, so I wouldn't be too alarmed. If you working wiht a planted tank, you'll want to limit the amount of oxygen exchange anyways.

When you say you checked the readings and they were 'a little high, but nothing extreme'....could you post the exact readings?
--- Specific numbers will help us to figure out your problem. "Nothing extereme" to you might mean one thing, but to an experienced aquarists, your idea of "nothing extreme" could be deadly to your fish and you might just not be aware of it.

Your selection of starter fished have pros and cons....
PROS - Danios are great fish to cycle an aquarium with....they're very hardy fish and can tolerate a wide range of water parameters. All these fish can be in the same tank, so re-homing them won't be an issue.
CONS - Neons and Corries need to be in groups (shoals) of 6 or more. They are a shoaling fish and feel most comfortable when in groups. Less stress = less likely for disease and death.......You'll want to up the numbers of those fish to five a piece, which is then pushing the capacity of a ten gallon tank....

LIGHTING--
What kind of lighting have you chosen for your tank?? Plants need special lighting, although many plants will flourish in a low-light set-up with bulbs you can buy cheap at walmart.

I would stop buying "purified water" it'll just end up costing your lots of money in the end. Tap water will be just fine, as long as you stick with PRIME(great choice by the way). Could you also post water parameters of your tap water??

Make sure you're using liquid test kits, not the strips....strips can be inaccurate and give off false readings.

Take a read through this to help you understand the cycle:
http://www.tropicalfishkeeping.com/f...m-cycle-38617/

Hope all that helped you!

and again welcome!

Oliver82 05-18-2010 08:48 AM

Lots of good information here! I will go to petsuper market today and pick up a liquid test kit so I can share the results with you. The filter I have is a tetra pf10, came with the tank. I dont have flourescent lighting either. Whats best for live plants? I leave the light on from morning till about mid afternoon. Also, do I have to wait a few hours after adding prime to tap water or is the safe to immediately add to tank?
Thanks a lot!

Oliver82 05-18-2010 12:31 PM

Okay so I just got back from pet supermarket. I bought a pH test kit with adjuster since its in my budget at the moment. From the readings and chart comparison, it looks like the pH is around 7.6 (its a medium-light blue color). I added 2 drops/ gallon and took another reading and it looked the same. So I added another 20 drops and it still looks about the same. Do I keep adding it until it looks greenish like 7.0 or should I wait 24 hours? I was also recommended to buy an air bubbler so got the whisper with a 6 inch bubbler i put in the corner of the tank. Seems like that took care of the cloudiness at the surface however I may get a 3 inch bubbler since this one stirs up the tank to much in my opinion.

Oliver82 05-18-2010 12:38 PM

JohnnyD44- what do you recommend as a inexpensive lighting source for live plants?

iamntbatman 05-19-2010 05:07 AM

I wouldn't recommend using pH adjusting chemicals. The fish you have now should adjust just fine to a pH of 7.6 so I wouldn't worry about that.

What were you grilling? Anything greasy? Steam from cooking greasy foods can carry grease with it so it may have gotten in your tank, which would also account for the surface scum. Maybe you could try skimming that off with a drinking glass, or something?

Oliver82 05-19-2010 05:30 AM

Nothing greasy, just plain chicken breast with seasoning. I'll try to scoop it out with a glass. I'm thinking of upgrading from the tetra pf10 filter to the penguin 100 or 150 as well
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JohnnyD44 05-19-2010 05:37 AM

+1 in my book on the Penguin 100 or 150. I have always had marineland products and they're are fantastic.

Oliver82 05-19-2010 05:48 AM

Good to know thanks!
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