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new2fish 03-13-2007 11:11 AM

O.kay, I have a 7liter tank. I had a gold fish and a guppy, they died. I got a betta, he died. Now all I have is an algie eater. The gold fish and guppy died of unknown causes, the betta died of fungus. I followed the instructions for treating the fungus. I used Sera Mycopur. Three days, and changed half the water, as recomended on the bottle. However, my algie eater still looks like he may have some of the fungus on him. There's also a film on the surface of the water. What is it? How often can I repeat treatment for the fungus? I don't want to lose my algie eater too. What do I do? My algie eater looks like he's covered in velvet. Is this fungus? Or is it something else? I'm almost ready to give up entirely. I need HELP!
P.S.- Does anyone know where I can go to talk to someone live? I don't trust the pet stores as I've gotten nothing but bad advice from them. They seem more interested in selling me chems to conduct a science project instead of helping. And I need to know what the best water tester kit is.

musho3210 03-13-2007 06:21 PM

7 liter is around 2 gallons. Easy answer, too small for the fish you have, goldfish need at least 100 liters (aprox 30 gallons) to actually thrive. The goldfish is actually fish for the more novice pet keepers. The same goes with the algae eater.

My suggestion, return all fish you have or get a much much bigger aquarium, the only think i reccomend for a bowl of that size is maybe cherry or ghost shrimp.

Falina 03-13-2007 06:27 PM

it is a type of fungus but there is a disease known as velvet (dont know the scientific name) and you get medicines specifically for this. i only know this because i was looking through fish medicines today and came across one for velvet so i dont know what the medicine was called but usually it will say on the bottle what they treat so look for one that says velvet on it but yes, the tank is really too small for any fish at all however sicne the fish is ill you can treat the 7litre as a quarantine tank just now as returning it while sick would only make other fish sick and moving it to a bigger tank with new fish would do the same thing. imo wait until it is better than return it or get a bigger aquarium.

good luck x

Lupin 03-13-2007 07:24 PM

Velvet is not fungus. They are separate cases. Get API Freshwater Master Test Kit and test your ammonia, nitrites, nitrates and pH.

Pls post some pictures of your fish so diagnosis will be easier. Identifying your fish will especially help as I suspected your algae eater is probably the Chinese Algae Eater which is not compatible with goldfish unfortunately.

How much dosage were you using? Bad water parameters and overdosage will only kill your fish. Sera products can be far too strong for most fish especially on overdosage rate.

The film on the water is probably protein or dust. What filter do you use? Surface agitation will help dissipate the film. I would suggest getting a new tank of 20 gallons as the minimum.

Falina 03-13-2007 07:39 PM

ok sorry i stand corrected about it being a fungus :oops: i got a wee booklet in with the medicine that i bought today that gives details of other diseases. if it is velvet then that will probably have been caused by poor water quality. definitely get a test kit and see what your water quality is like.

it also says that symptoms for velvet or slime are flicking and rubbing against objects, rapid gill movement, hanging close to the surface of the water, red irritated areas of skin, opaque or white/gray areas of skin, dusting of gold/yellow spots giving the fish a velvet appearance.

is that last point what you meant when you said it looked like it was covered in velvet? if not best ignore this post. it will help you rule velvet out if not at least

new2fish 03-13-2007 09:50 PM

Thanks everyone for all the advice. I really am having a hard time with the whole fish scene. I'll see what I can do about getting a bigger tank. I don't really want to get rid of my algie eater though. So for now I'll treat him in the tank I have and see about moving him to a bigger one as soon as possible.
I spoke to my friend who bought me the fish in the first place. She bought herself some fish at the same time and the ones she got were also sick. So it definitely came from the store. She was told that the fish had ICH when she went back. The only fish she has left out of the bunch she got is her algie eater.
Earlier today my algie eater attatched himself to the front of the tank and I got a look at his belly. It's got white patches on it that almost look like fuzz. No gold or yellow though. She said it sounds like the same thing her fish looked like.
I cleaned my tank again today. Complete water change, and cleaned the rocks and the decorations. The pump and the filters. I won't be able to pick up anything for my fish until the end of the month. So until I can actually test my water, get a new filter, and find the source of the problem. I've decided to try and treat him for ICH. Hopefully it will work and I can start to work on getting a bigger tank.
Thanks again for the advice. I'll let everyone know how it goes. Wish me luck. (I could sure use it!)

musho3210 03-13-2007 09:56 PM

you didnt need to go out to clean all the decoration, that just destroys the good bacteria that your tank needs to help get rid of ammonia and nitrite

Falina 03-14-2007 04:32 AM

thats true, if the water quality is poor then you need all the good bacteria however its done now and hopefully it wont matter. ive done similar things before when i had fish when i was younger, thinking that a good scrub would take all the germs away but making wee mistakes is the only way youll learn, and you might be alright. for example cycling is very imprtant in a new tank but there are people who will just fill up the tank and throw some fish in and they make it. some fish just seem better able to cope without the good bacteria than others. with luck there will still be some of the good bacteria left anyway as long as you dint use any cleaning products - thats a really bad thing to do with fish. when youre able to get the test kit check your water quality and let us know

good luck

new2fish 03-19-2007 07:53 PM

Well I tried to take some pics of my algie eater, but it didn't work. I can't get a clear image. Anyway, the problem isn't going away. I was told to use the ICH-X for about six-seven days. It's been that long. I don't know what to do now. My poor fishy just gets worse and worse. He attatched himself to the side of the tank again and it looks to me like his gills are turning red. I never took notice of what they looked like before, but they don't match the rest of the color in that area. Plus from time to time he swims to the top like he's trying to get a breath, or jump. I'm not sure which.
As for what filter I'm using, I don't know. I didn't buy the stuff or set it up. My friend came over and did it all as a suprise for me. She doesn't remember either. All she can tell me is that it's got charcoal in it.
I can't go out and get anything new for the fish until after Wed. Broke 'till then. I won't be able to get much then either. So I really need to know what I should get.
I'm going to try to get a sample of my water tested at the store. Do they test for possible illnesses? Maybe that's all I need to do to get to the bottom of this problem.

musho3210 03-19-2007 08:11 PM

ok i know exactly what is wrong with the fish

Ammonia poisoning

It is when the ammonia levels get too high.

#1 you cleaned the filter killing the bacteria that converts ammonia - nitrite and then nitrite - nitrate (nitrate being no where near as toxic as ammonia)
#2 Small tank
#3 Too infrequent water changes

Ok stop medicating the tank, i cant believe what that store is putting you though, ich medication???? Your fish doesnt even have ich!! The fish store obviously has no idea what its talking about and just wants you to buy there products, its amazing how many fish stores are like this *cough* petsmart *cough*.

What you can do now is to do daily 10-15% water changes, feed once every other day or better yet dont feed since its an algae eater, just try to get some algae growing in the tank. Change the filter, buy a mini sponge filter (there little cartridges about as big as a cell phone that are made for small tanks, you will see a sponge and possible some carbon in it) and use that since it is probably better than the filter you have now.

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