One Angelfish getting aggressive
I have not been on here much....just too busy with things. My 56 gallon still has the same stock in fish. I am waiting for the smaller Angelfish in my daughter's tank to get big enough to be put in my larger tank that has the older Angels (2 of them - one larger young adult (not quite fullgrown) and one older teen that is not quite fullgrown). One of the other Angelfish in my daughter's tank may be large enough but I did not think it was a good idea just to introduce one new Angel...too much chance of aggression on one new fish. So, I am going to wait longer. Anyway, the two black Angelfish in the big tank have been together since the store. They were together in the store and have always gotten along real well...came from the same local breeder. The larger older one has always been Alpha but has never been really mean or nipped to the point of ruining the look of the perfect top fin. I just noticed yesterday that the smaller Angel's fins looked frayed from nipping and then later I notice him/her hiding. I went to bed concerned. I got up...same thing hiding and then when I fed them the smaller one came out to eat but is now having to hide again. I have seen the larger one chase the other one much more aggressive than ever before. I have never had a problem with Angels being overly aggressive, but I know that some can be. I think I read somewhere that the double black ones can be but I don't know what they are and if mine would be considered double black.
What should I do? They have been living peacefully since January. If I go in and try to fine a couple more large Angel's (if any), than I won't have room to put the other two when they get too big for that othger tank. I am thinking maybe I should put the one that is getting picked on in the 14 gallon for now until I figure out what I can do. I hate getting rid of my fish (taking them to the fish store). He/she has been so happy in the tank up until now and who knows what conditions it can go to or what kind of owner he/she will get.
Any advise? To me, the only thing I can do is remove him and then either chance putting him back in with the other one that is probably big enough at the same time after this one gets his pride back. And then just leave the small little guy in the 14 gallon to get bigger.
What do you think? Thanks!
P.S. I noticed yesterday that the Papilla was very pronounced on the larger aggressive Angel but not as much today. The other fish still wants to hide. I just hate this. They have gotten along so well ever since I got them and nothing has changed in this tank. It was not like they were real small and then grew into dominent fish. They have always been the size to where they would already become aware of pecking order, etc. The larger one has always been Alpha since I have had them.
Hi Holly, nice to see you back, we've missed you. Hope all's well on the "ranch."
Angelfish are shoaling fish and are cichlids. With these two traits, they should either be in groups (minimum 4-5) or a mated pair. While certain fish may seem fine one day, their instinctive nature is still there and something is bound to trigger it at some point, as you've witnessed.
To avoid returning either fish, if it were me I would move the aggressor into the other (smaller) tank on a temporary basis, and up the group in the 55g with 3 more fish. Once they are settled, give them a couple months, put the larger back in. I suggest this rather than the reverse because if the aggressor remains, it will always be his territory and anything added will be second fiddle. Moving him out and getting another community established will result in his return being as the newcomer. I can't guarantee this, but it is worth the try, as the other option I see would be to return him and start with new fish.
I agree with you. I ended up not being able to add more at one time because I was barely ready for the two that I got. I just had to have them. My tank was not cycled long enough at the time to put more in there. I was fortunate to get the two that seem to get along so well...almost like they are a pair but not sure. Sometimes, it is hard to find the larger juviniles so I ended up nabbing the two small ones one day -- one small and one very small. I probably should have just waited to see if I could have gotten two larger ones, but I love to raise them small and since the two black ones were doing so well for awhile I was not real worried about it.
I agree with what you are saying regarding doing the reverse. I am such a softy and hate having to put any of them in the smaller tank. He will hate it in there! LOL I have the small angels in there too so not sure what he will do with them. Should I put the smaller ones in with the underdog in the bigger tank and move the aggressive one to the small tank? I am tempted to get a larger tank to replace the 14 gallon, but really do not have the right spot for it in my daughter's room.
I have to go somewhere today, and now I have this on my mind. :-? Thanks for the advise. I will muddle it over.
P.S. I meant to say that since I had always been successful with two Angelfish in the past and since these seem to get along well I thought they would be fine until the other two small ones got big enough. But, now that I think about it, I know for sure my last Angels I had several years ago were for sure mates...they spawed. The two I had as a kid were mates as well. It was looking like these two could possibly be a mate but I have not been able to tell for sure.
Yesterday, the larger one's Papilla was very pronounced.
I would move the smaller angels in to the 55g with the underdog, yes, and the aggressive angel on its own in the smaller tank. On a temp basis this will be OK. B.
Thanks Byron. I am back home now and need to figure out what to do. The one is still having to hide except for during mealtime. I think I will try to put the smaller ones in the big tank with the underdog. The one though is still pretty small so not sure how well it will work out. I don't think I want to try just putting the one smaller one that is bigger in the bigger tank because than the underdog may get too aggressive towards the younger one. I do have another 10 gallon tank if worse comes to worse...can put the smaller ones in there if they can't work out well enough in the bigger tank. I feel bad though that the one that is being a stinker has to leave his home. I suffer over things like this. :roll: I will let you know how it goes.
We can only do the best and then hope for the best. In your case I am hopeful that it will work, isolating the large bully on his own and putting the others together in a roomy (to them) 55g space.
How many days or weeks should I wait before I try to put the bully back in?
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