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m919 03-21-2014 06:55 PM

Okay, so the wife and I purchased a 60 gallon tank and it is all set up and ready to start my fish less cycle. After doing some research on this site and others I realize that I do not have enough filtration. We purchased a Fluval 110 with a "rating" of 500 GPH. Not enough! So, I am think of getting a canister filter or another 110. I'm thinking the canister due to it can hold more media but the HOB would be nice so I can keep the filter off the floor . The canister I am considering is the Fluval 306. It "rating is 303GPH. And it's good for up to 70 gallons. My other concern is how much water movement I am going to have with both filters running. I am planing on Cichlids when the tank is good to go. Any advise will be greatly appreciated!

sprmankalel 03-21-2014 07:18 PM

Why would the current filter not be enough? Do you want to maybe get more fish than is recommended? 500GPH is 8.3 times an hour. I don't keep cichlids. Are they extra messy? That's a reason why I could see you might want more. I have been running an AquaClear 70 on my 50 gallon planted tank. I have been for years. It is one step up from the minimum for a 50 gallon tank. I use filter floss to trap smaller particles and polish the water (make it clear). I do want a canister but finances can't justify it right now. Maybe if you returned the filter you got and got one canister that is 2 steps up from the minimum. One thing to consider is if the cichlids like a lot of water movement. Then maybe the 2 filters would work.

m919 03-21-2014 07:29 PM

From what I read the water should be filtered 10'times per hour. And perhaps I am just being too cautious. Had I thought it through a little better i would have bought a canister from the start. I'm not planning on over loading the tank , I just want the best for the little guys. So if I don't really need to get it to 10 times per hour I am happy with that.
Thanks for the input!

sprmankalel 03-21-2014 07:31 PM

No problem. I am sure a cichlid expert will come along and let you know if you really need 10 times water cycle.

Agent13 03-22-2014 09:52 AM

What kind of cichlids are you getting? Over filtration is almost always good. I keep my african cichlids at 12.5x per hour using 3 canisters and I do generally prefer all my other tanks at 10x or close to it. Depending upon what you are keeping it might not be *needed* but I find it to be best. If you can afford it do it.

m919 03-22-2014 03:55 PM

I'm not really sure on which ones I want. I do want color/size, I also would like to be able to have a couple of different types of fish. So, cichlids with a good tempernemt would be nice, if possible that is.
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RSVBiffer 03-22-2014 04:18 PM

10x per hour is the recommendation for Mbuna Chichlids where overstocking is used to curb targeted aggression. To be honest, even for Mbuna you are in the right region and I wouldn't panic about it but, at the same time, more filtration is not going to hurt and can only be beneficial. As Agent said if you can afford it do it.

Also bear in mind, saltwater fishes (far higher demanding in terms of water quality then their freshwater cousins) were being successfully kept 20 years back on a 3x turnover, now somewhere in the region of 25x is the recommendation.

Agent13 03-22-2014 04:37 PM

Mbuna I'd consider 10x the minimum .. And absolutely needed ( I keep mine at 12.5x) but I do have many many other tanks ranging 10-25x turnover rate. South American cichlids to african cichlids to FW gobies and Pygmy sunfish and many more. Like I said though , fish can survive without that and the tank still can be clean ... I just really like very clean tanks and the best for my tanks/fish/plants I can provide.

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RSVBiffer 03-22-2014 05:45 PM

Sorry Agent, please don't think I was disagreeing with you or contradicting you, the least of my intentions. I agree wholeheartedly with what you have said and would always recommend going for the best filtration you can supply. Personally, the Amazon tank is at something like 420% of the recommendation and the guppy tank will be well over that (just cannot be bothered to work it out :-)). I have kept the humble Guppy through Koi to Acropora and have always aimed to exceed the recommended level of filtration...just that the recommendation has altered somewhat over the years ;-). Its quite strange to think that the turnover in marine tanks thirty years back would be considered inadequate in most freshwater setups these days, how times change :-).

m919 03-22-2014 06:20 PM

Not worried about the money it will cost me to do this right! My wife told me NO dead fish and if I mess this up Ill never hear end of it as well as never be able to get a larger tank So, should I go with a filter that is good for up to 70 gal or something more in the 100's ?

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