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Vpaw 03-08-2014 08:14 PM

Ich keeps coming back
 
I brought home some cherry barbs about 2 months back, of course they had the ich. Ok I treated it, lost my beloved bs pleco to the treatment, and all that. Now, it's back! I did the treatment before, raised temp used product, removed carbon, and after I did a second round (probably nt a good idea but I thought I saw something) I thought it was gone. Got new pleco recently too. And today, one little barb is COVERED in white spots! I looked close and some other barbs have them too. Why is it back? Should I keep treating like before? How do I prevent it?

Tank:
30 gallon
4 cherry barbs
2 golden barbs
2 dwarf gourami
1 bs pleco
6 rc shrimp
I was gonna add tetras but then this happened.

Nitrate: 40 ppm
Ph: about 7.8
Hard water
It's been running for years, maybe 4, so I'm pretty sure it's well established, got 2 filters running on it, and lights are on 10 hours a day, I think.

I also just realized that it was frogs, not pleco's that couldn't get ich.. Dang... I hope my 20 gallon isn't invested now..


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rsskylight04 03-09-2014 12:33 AM

What did you treat the tank with. If you used copper, you might have issues with low toxicity in hard water. In soft water copper is more toxic. Its very complicated and I am just learning about ich and how to treat/ prevent.
Seems that in hard alkaline water, you have to re- dose to keep copper level up or it can be absorbed/ locked up by hardwater minerals and organics. Your copper level may have dropped to below lethal dose before the tank was totaly cured. Just an idea.

Lots of people use heat treatment to completely cure ich in a fish tank. Raise the temp to 88F for ten days. Supposedly 100% effective.

Good luck.

jaysee 03-09-2014 01:20 AM

It's effective as long as you don't reintroduce it to your tank. Just guessing the new fish wasn't quarantined.

Austin 03-09-2014 08:21 AM

Do 50% water changes every day, vacuuming the gravel if possible and raise the temperature slowly to 86F. That's all the treatment you really need. You should notice the ich disappear and does not come back. Keep this temperature for a 7-10 days after the last sign of ich. Sometimes you may need a slightly higher temp. This method is 2 for 2 for me.

The treatment was effective but you brought in ich with the pleco. It didn't randomly come back. You can prevent it by setting up a quarantine tank. That's the only way, really. You can also buy from good sources and inspect all the tanks at the fish store... That will reduce your chance of getting ich. If your previous treatment was successful feel free to just repeat that treatment. I'd swear by simple heat and water changes, though.

Vpaw 03-09-2014 10:50 AM

My parents are extremely against me getting anymore tanks, I have 4 currently. I wanted to get a quarantine tank but I don't like what I got. I have a 1/2 gallon with am under gravel vac. No light, but here is a lid, and no heater. I did use it, however to rid the Molly I bought of ich, I noticed it on her while floating in the bag for temp purposes. I also use it as an intro to water perimeters for new fish. I usually inspect before releasing as well. I buy from petsmart since here closer than the family owner lfs it could also go to petco, but they don't have bs pleco's.

I also have a 5 gallon, whisper filter, sand substrate, heater, good and light. It's my ADF tank and I just recently ;0(less than a month) set that up, I was thinking I maybe could use it for isolation, since frogs don't get ich, but they could get other diseases and might not get along with some fish. Plus they're going through fungal treatment, should end today but the white spot is still on his mouth...

The first time I used rid ich+ and now and for the second treatment I used the API ich treatment. My air pump for that tank is pretty week so the oxygen level may not be great. I used half the dosage because the label recommended to do so if I have scaleless fish in there.

rsskylight04 03-09-2014 11:15 AM

I used the heat treatment to great effect untill my wife bought Coppersafe and dosed the tank when I wasn't home. I swear the fish were almost healed before the medicine but she takes credit for healing the fish! If you do use chemical medicine be aware that most will kill plants and invertabrates.
I would recommend the heat treatment as I saw immediate improvment after only1-2 days and spots were vitrually gone after3-4 days.

Vpaw 03-09-2014 11:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rsskylight04 (Post 4077473)
I used the heat treatment to great effect untill my wife bought Coppersafe and dosed the tank when I wasn't home. I swear the fish were almost healed before the medicine. If you do use chemical medicine be aware that most will kill plants and invertabrates.

I would recommend the heat treatment as I saw immediate improvment after only1-2 days and spots were vitrually gone after3-4 days.


How high did you raise it? It's at about 83 right now and I had it up at 86 before.

rsskylight04 03-09-2014 02:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vpaw (Post 4077513)
How high did you raise it? It's at about 83 right now and I had it up at 86 before.

I was at 87-89. Research says ich can't reproduce over85F.
Hope you get clear of it soon.

Vpaw 03-09-2014 02:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rsskylight04 (Post 4078265)
I was at 87-89. Research says ich can't reproduce over85F.

Hope you get clear of it soon.


Thanks, it's at 87-89 now... I don't know how well the heater controls range


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rsskylight04 03-09-2014 02:39 PM

Yeah my heater range was about 2.5F. Plus my house gets a bit cold in winter. That's why I went with a slightly higher average temp. If you could maintain a precise 86 ... but iwanted to make sure I never dipped below 86 at any tmie, plus the gravel and tank bottom is not quite as warm as the water is when the house is cold.
Good luck!


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