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stephanieleah 12-31-2009 12:11 PM

fishless cycling with food
 
i'm cycling my new 10 gallon and i realized what a beginner i had when these questions came to mind:

1. is there any point to doing water changes during a fishless cycling? (seems like it'd defeat the purpose)

2. how much fish food would one add to increase ammonia levels during a fishless cycle?

3. would adding waste water from a water change in another tank take it one step further (already adding digested flake food ie. closer to ammonia stage). sounds gross, but really wondering.

4. would adding blood worms (meatier and more, um, disgusting) create more ammonia (they seem more toxic when they break down)?

:-?

MoneyMitch 12-31-2009 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by stephanieleah (Post 297373)
i'm cycling my new 10 gallon and i realized what a beginner i had when these questions came to mind:

1. is there any point to doing water changes during a fishless cycling? (seems like it'd defeat the purpose)

2. how much fish food would one add to increase ammonia levels during a fishless cycle?

3. would adding waste water from a water change in another tank take it one step further (already adding digested flake food ie. closer to ammonia stage). sounds gross, but really wondering.

4. would adding blood worms (meatier and more, um, disgusting) create more ammonia (they seem more toxic when they break down)?

:-?

W/c aret necessary during a fish out cycle

im pretty sure there are products out there that are made spcially for fishless cycle might do a search on google i hear they work alot easyioer than food.

adding old w/c water froma nother tank wont help it would just give you poor quality of water


Was curious why you are going fishless if by the sounds of things you already have a established tank? it would be alot faster and easyier to just seed from the established tank than mess with a fishless cycle.

Angel079 12-31-2009 12:19 PM

No there's no point in adding waste water, you said it yourself WASTE :-)

You can take your existing filter pads and rinse them out in the new tank to get BB over into the new tank, when its looking nice and mucky, that's when its good :-)
There's no need for w/c at this point.
I toss maybe like 2-3 flakes into my currently cycling 10g each night, that's enough. I'd do flakes thou rather then bloodworms.

Angel079 12-31-2009 12:19 PM

@MoneyMitch I LOVE it when we post at the SAME time....sorry steph :-D

soccermatt 12-31-2009 01:36 PM

I am also cycling my tank with fish food, and almost done. I add in 3-4 flakes every 12 hours. It does get quite messy, but i think a good gravel vac after should help. With fish food it will also take a bit longer to produce ammonia and may not raise it as high. On day 4 of my cycle i got .6 ammonia reading, and it only spiked for one day to 2.5.

Good luck

stephanieleah 12-31-2009 08:02 PM

Yes, I use Safe Start but I need ammonia in there first to feed the bacteria. That worked well in my other tank.

I'm doing a fishless cycle because I want to get fish that are a little more on the sensitive side and I want to get an established pH, hardness, and nitrate levels for at least a month or so before I add fish.

Also I forgot my tap has ammonia in it so that should start the cycling. Plus seeding from my other tank. That should make for a speedy cycle.

Thanks for the ideas, guys. Useful as always. And relieved to not add "waste" to muck up my new tank.

Angel079 01-01-2010 11:02 AM

:dunno:I just always squished in used filter sponges, added flake food each day and it was all good (spc in ref to sensitive fish, I did the same approach for my Killi) I think you're just fine there :-D

stephanieleah 01-01-2010 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by soccermatt (Post 297424)
I am also cycling my tank with fish food, and almost done. I add in 3-4 flakes every 12 hours. It does get quite messy, but i think a good gravel vac after should help. With fish food it will also take a bit longer to produce ammonia and may not raise it as high. On day 4 of my cycle i got .6 ammonia reading, and it only spiked for one day to 2.5.

Good luck

nice, how long did it take you total? how big is your tank? I'm wondering b/c there's another person cycling his tank who'se frustrated that it hasn't started cycling after four days so i was going to link him to your post to give him some hope : )


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