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lowflyer 12-23-2009 05:54 PM

My proposed tank
Ok guys, here's the deal. I've kept fish for a long time. Starting off with goldfish, moving onto a community tank or 2, then marine and now i'm going back to freshwater again.

Here's my plan.

This is what I have already, equipment wise:

Tank = 610mm x 280mm x 300mm
Filter = Boyu canister filter (210 l/h)
Gravel= Pool filter sand (quite course)
Lights= 2 x T8's (1 x lifeglo 15w, 1 x sunglo 10w) Got ballists
Heater= 50watt

Will get:

PH test kit

Possible livestock:

2 x Rams (electric blue) or keyhole cichlids ( I really like these guys)
7 x neon tetra's
3 x peppered cory's
2 x otocinlis

2 x amazon swords

not sure what other plants to put in.

All help will be appreciated :)
Thanks guys.

Angel079 12-23-2009 06:35 PM


Originally Posted by lowflyer (Post 293738)
Tank = 610mm x 280mm x 300mm

What he/ she means is a 51 liters aka 13 gallon ;-) (just in case anyone else also started at the mm and wondered how many gallon that is:-)

Going down your list: I'd strongly suggest to get a whole liquid test kit, not only pH. You'll over time need to measure your pH & KH regularly, specially in the begging. For cycling and afterward to ensure fish health, you'll need to measure: Ammonia, NO2, NO3

Ram's I'd def not recommend for anything smaller then a 20g.
Neon's are school fish and ideally kept in groups of 8, rather 10's; the very same apply's to the cory's housing only 3 will make them feel extremely insecure, which will stress them out, permanent stress in fish just like for us will cause early death.
Oto's are EXTREMELY sensible fish and should absolutely not go into a newly cycled tank. Let the tank establish for several months before you add them, otherwise you're pretty much guaranteed to loose them.
Some of the fish you've chosen require to have soft acid water, unless you can test your water and see what you have, I'd bee a fool to tell you to get these fish for your tank.
I'm not saying any of this to upset yu, but I don't want for you to run into the wrong direction, loose fish, get upset and quit the hobby again ;-)

2 Swords sound good for starters, but I'd add many many more then that to a 13g. Maybe something like Vallis, various Cryptocoryne, Ludwigia, Hygrophilia....Look throught my tanks under my name to the left under "Aquariums" you'll find a variety of plants within these tanks, maybe you'll see a set up you like too.

Hawkian 12-23-2009 07:05 PM

Many more plants I would get if you I were! (That's my Yoda impression for you ... :-) ).

I like the keyholes too but I think they'll get too cramped in a 13g before long. Same for the Rams. I feel like you're trying to mix peaceful cichlids with other freshwater fish that may be compatible in the end... if you had a bigger tank. I would advise you to either forget the cichlids, or if you're deadset on them, go with only a pair of cichlids and forget all other fish... until you get a bigger tank.

Just my 2 cents...

Mecal 12-23-2009 07:19 PM

While I don't know too much about those fish...
Definitely agree with the Oto's, don't put them in right away!

Also, get some more plants :-D You can try some aponogeton bulbs. I have two growing in my tank.

edit: since you'll have sand, you might want to consider making a small portion of the tank carpeted with small grass

lowflyer 12-24-2009 09:15 AM

Thanks for all the advice guys, I really do appreciate it. I am actually thinking of building a bigger tank now that you mention the cichlids would not be happy in there. Maybe build a 100litre tank. The only thing I would need to change in that case would be to add a stronger heater, maybe a 75 watt or keep the 50 watt and add another 50 watt.

Angel079 12-24-2009 10:09 AM

:shock: you're building the the actual tank yourself???

Dep what room your tank is in, eg living room/ more heated area's a 75w on 100l will do fine. If its in the basement/ unheated area's I'd get a 200w;-)

lowflyer 12-24-2009 11:15 AM

Yup, my friend and I will do it, saves me on cost of getting someone else. And the tank will be in the kitchen or lounge :)

lowflyer 12-24-2009 02:28 PM

How does 610mm(length) x 400mm(width) x 350mm(depth) sound?

Mecal 12-24-2009 03:27 PM


Originally Posted by lowflyer (Post 294116)
How does 610mm(length) x 400mm(width) x 350mm(depth) sound?

just to convert it for others:

24'' x 15.75'' x 13.75'' (rounded)
or 22.5 gallons.

sounds like a good size to me!

Angel079 12-24-2009 04:05 PM

Bigger is always better in the fish world :-)
Heck if you built them yourselves..ever considered building a cube like 2ft by 2ft by 2ft? I think that gotta look real awesome.

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