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Dallasblake 12-15-2009 11:11 AM

Starting over
I have a 45 gallon corner tank. It has a 204/5 fluval filter. My water readings are ammonia 0, nitrate 5, nitrite 0, ph 7.6. I have 3 glowlight tetras, 3 guppies, and one sunset gourami. I've been through several fish and they keep dying. I am now adding ph balance stuff that will regulate it to a constant ph of 7. It's turned my water white and cloudy. Since my tetras keep having health problems and my gourami is on it's last leg I'm going to take down the tank and clean then restart it. This is my plan for the new setup.

I have petrified wood and a plastic log for hiding. Plan on getting java fern and moss, dwarf sagittaria, baby tears, and dwarf hairgrass.

For stock I was thinking:

1 Bolivian Ram
4 German blue rams
5 purple passion danios or 5 red phantom tetras
1 sumo loach
3 yoyo loaches
And some shrimp a mixture of: black forest, orange halo, red cherry, and crystal red.

Any input and advice is greatly appreciated.

Angel079 12-15-2009 11:52 AM

Check your hardness (KH) could be yur water is just too hard for what you had before.

I'd personally rather get a larger group of the danios and skip on the phantom tetras, they like it more peaceful with smaller fish around them, so I doubt they'll develop well with the Ram's around them; that's why I'd rather get like 10 danios if it was my tank :-)

Once your loaches are big enough (or you get adults from the start I donno) your shrimp will more likly then not wind up as snack, so just be warned there :-)

Oh and welcome to the forum :-) We Love to see pictures when the tank is done too :-)

Dallasblake 12-15-2009 12:38 PM

Would to much hardness in the water cause red gills and a fuzzy growth? It treated with melafix and permafix I think it's called and the stuff comes and goes when it pleases. I hope the shrimp are good hiders when I get them. LOL thanks for your input I'm glad what I'm planing for wanst out of the ballpark in compatability.

MoneyMitch 12-15-2009 01:14 PM

red gills is usually from chlorine in the water, do u use anything to rid chlorine with new water at w/c? ph buffer is prob what did your fish in. often new aquarists will panic and add all kinds of crazy things in the tank to fix a minor issue but in the long run do more damage. your ph probobly wung extremely fast causing your fish to die. i have also heard that blue rams are extremely hard to keep and not recommended for a new hobbyist as it will cause you many MANY headaches. these guys are extremely sensitive to water conditions and tank mates, i would not get blue rams or any of the shrimp since more than likely they at some point will become snacks for pretty much everyone. i would maybe instead get a different species of loach and just have a loach tank or something.

Dallasblake 12-15-2009 01:29 PM

I let my water sit 24-48 hours before W/C. I had 2 gouramis and they started losing their color and one died. I just started adding the ph stabalizer stuff and my remaining fish are still alive so far. I add 1 tsp of stabalizer a day so my ph don't go down to fast for them. I plan on getting my ph balanced completely and then getting my plants fully established before I get any other fish. The tetras I currently have go from looking totaly healthy one day to looking terrible the next. And every time I add more they die and I only have 3. It's totaly puzzling. I have 2 females and one male they eat great and one female and the male looked like they were mating. He was chasing her all over and twirling all around her.

MoneyMitch 12-15-2009 01:33 PM

the color fading is a sighn of stress and this chasing twirling behavior is aggression. sounds like this is why you are losing fish. they are stressing from the aggression and then die simple as that. cant tell you why but pretty sure thats what is going on here. i would stop adding fish if they keep dying and let things ride out and stop using that buffer. a small ph difference then what the fish require will be fine. its all about how the fish are acclimated to the ph not what the actuall ph is (as long as your fish arent wild caught obviously). not to mention it would make your w/c much easyer and you wouldnt have to worrie about adding that buffer AKA insta kill

Angel079 12-15-2009 02:22 PM

I can only back up Mitch's suggestion and also make sure you use a water conditioner that removes chlorine when you do w/c.
That's why I said up top, I just don't think Ram-Tetra's is a good mix, they'll just stress to death and then you have the same issue again. Just get fish that are more compatible and save yourself the headache :-)

Dallasblake 12-15-2009 02:54 PM

I think I'm going to steer away from the rams and loaches and eventualy get danios and more tetra and shrimp. I wasn't adding anything at my w/c but nw I've been adding stress zyme and coat. I think my water plant has been adding different stuff to the water cause my plants were doing awesome and my ph was around 6.7 but recently it has gone up to 8.4. That's when I started having dying fish. I do need to get a hardness test and test the hardness of the tank. I plan on doing a lot more research on the fish once I get a computer before I do get more fish. It's just annoying that my fish keep dying but the algea is growing fine.

Angel079 12-15-2009 05:07 PM

Something is way outta wack in your tank if your fish die & algae grows. So first of I'd get to the bottom of all this, see what causes it & eliminate it. Once that's taken care of - Add fish...but not the other way around, that's just asking for more troubles IMO. And pers I'd stop using all this fancy stuff and ONLY use a good water conditioner (Tetra, API etc) that removes chlorine and that's it.

Test all of your parameters and come back with the number (NO2, NO3, Ammonia, Ph, KH)...

Dallasblake 12-16-2009 09:07 AM

The neutral regulator I put in my tank has put a white coat on my plants and gravel. Should I do a gravel vac and w/c?

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