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fireonthetrack 02-13-2007 08:47 PM

Black moor dying help!!!
i recently bought some black moores to keep as pets...about 2 weeks l8er 1 of them started to thin out and his tail started to seperate into little sections. His scales look rotten and he only move with 1 arm. Now he sits at the top of the tank and gobbles 24/7. What should i do!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
o btw what does it mean when a goldfish gobbles at the surface of a tank? :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :(

musho3210 02-13-2007 09:16 PM

it sounds like its either ammonia poisoning, nitrite poisoning or lack of dissolved oxygen, please include these information please :)

1. Size of aquarium (# of gallons)
2. Is your aquarium set up freshwater or saltwater?
3. How long the aquarium has been setup
4. What fish and how many are in the aquarium (species are important to know)
5. Are there live plants in the aquarium?
6. What make/model filter are you using?
7. Are you using a CO2 unit?
8. Does your aquarium receive natural sunlight at any given part of the day?
9. When did you perform your last water exchange, and how much water was changed?
10.How often and what foods do you feed your fish?
11.Is your aquarium light incandescent or fluorescent and how often is it kept on?
12.What specific concerns bring you here at this time?
13. Water are your water test results for:
pH, ammonia, nitrite, nitrate?

fireonthetrack 02-13-2007 09:24 PM

thanks for reponding
1. 9" *9" *15"
2. fresh
3. 2 weeks
4. moors and common red goldfish
5. no 1 fake with pebbles on the bottom not much should i add more
6. i dont have a filter i change water every 1 or 2 weaks its a bowl so a filter wont fit should i what is that
8. yah some what
9. like 75% every 1 to 2 weeks
10.once a day lights just sunligh i guess
12.i dont want my fish to die does he have bacterial infection?.
plus he doesnt eat every often
13. no i bought drinking water from walmart lol
7 fish 3 moor 3 common 1 bottom feeder

musho3210 02-13-2007 09:40 PM

ok, many problems here, first problem and the biggest problem you have, the tank is too small for it, two goldfish alone require 30 gallons or more, i can go on forever on why they need a bigger tank but that will take a couple of pages.

Ok all your other problems are connected to the fact you cannot have goldfish in a bowl. Also im looking for water parameters not what type of water that you use. But this wont matter as i know exactly what is wrong without you telling me the parameters

The goldfish is suffering from a highly toxic ammonia poisoning. In case you didnt know ammonia is created after a fish poops as the poop decays. Ammonia will burn the gills like acid litterally suffocating the goldfish, the goldfish is in dire need of oxygen so it "gobbles" water from the top of the bowl which carries the most oxygen. No matter what you do you cannot fix this problem in this bowl simply because it is too small. It will die if you dont act fast.

Now what you do: get the goldfishes a bigger tank, a tank bigger than 30 gallons for them with filtration enough to filter a 60 gallon, if possible you can give them away to someone who has a tank that can house them or a pond as a pond will be even better. Thats all you need to do, simple as that, as you are getting the goldfish tank ready, do daily 50% water changes this will buy you a tiny bit more time. Once set up immediatly move the goldfish into the big tank, if you are able to keep the ammonia down in the 30 gallon using water changes (no chemicals) the goldfish will heal by itself. Please act fast, the goldfish wont last long in a bowl. I wish you the best of luck.

Do not blame yourself for this, it is the companies that make and sell bowls fault, they shouldnt advertise bowls for goldfish, the only fish that can fit in a small bowl is a betta (there might be more but the betta is the most common) Its sad to know that the second most popular bowl fish is actually one of the worse for a bowl.

Please also understand i am here to help, whatever questions you have ask them, however stupid they sound, this forum will help you out great. I wish you the best of luck with your goldfish, i hope it will be alright.

fireonthetrack 02-13-2007 09:53 PM

ok thx ill defiently listen but the thing is my rents wont buy me a new taNK but i am can add a filter to the tank would that help. see my rents care about 2 things money and good grades boy do i hate them at times.
but ill thing to an alternative
if not ill try to buy one my self thx for helping me.

musho3210 02-13-2007 10:03 PM

hmm if you cant get a bigger tank do you know anyone else who will take in the goldfish? It is a really big concern of having this goldfish here, even with a filter the ammonia levels are too high. There are other fish that can go into the bowl better though, this includes bettas

fireonthetrack 02-13-2007 10:09 PM

well i guessi could convince ym mom and my dad cu zmy mom is better at taking care will my dad is just a cold blooded monster lol ok of course 30 gallon or higher
how much will that cost?

fireonthetrack 02-13-2007 10:10 PM

o and 1 thing the dying fish wont eat so is that cuz of ammonia

musho3210 02-13-2007 10:12 PM

you can get a second hand 30 gallon tank cheap, maybe like..... 75-100 dollars with everything included, filter, stand etc

The fish not eating might have stuff to do with ammonia, if not it could be swim bladder disease from the gulping of the air at the top of the bowl, the ammonia could have opened another doorway to an internal paracite but it could just be from poor water conditions. you are going to have to ask someone for better help on this as i am no good with feeding disorders.

fireonthetrack 02-13-2007 10:21 PM

thx u r very good help thx alot but ill ask u ? l8 though but i message uso u dont hae to hceck this very now and then

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