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BarbedDragon 11-08-2009 05:39 PM

Goldfish can't close mouth?!
 
I have had this goldfish named Bowie for a few weeks after falling in love with his coloring. Tonight I noticed he can't close his mouth. I gently netted him and inspected him by hand for a few seconds and could not see any gravel inside---but it's actually quite hard to see inside (seems a little swollen to me? like the inner cheeks) He seems to be eating ok? I mean he's sucking food in (I fed him softened sinking shrimp pellets as a treat) So weird. Imagine a figure 8---his mouth looks like that---both sides are almost touching on the inside. Nothing furry or cottony, just normal colored mouth tissue to me.

His tankmate is a larger Black Moor named Shaft, who seems to be picking on him a little which got better when I fed softened floating food to the big guy and softened sinking food to this one. I've tried to give him plenty of hiding places----but he seems to like the big guy so much (who knows) and will follow him around even after being nudged by him.

I have pictures and Video (I'll link to youtube)

Pics:
http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/n.../Openmouth.jpg

http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/n...Openmouth2.jpg

http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/n...Openmouth3.jpg

Video:
YouTube - Goldfish Mouth Issues - cannot close mouth

1. What is the size of your tank?
29 Gallons
2. What are your water parameters? State the brand of test kit used.
API Liquid
NO- 20
NO2- 0
GH - 75
KH - 40
PH - 7.8
3. Is your aquarium set up freshwater or brackish water?
Fresh
4. How long the aquarium has been set up?
2 years
5. What fish do you have? How many are in your tank? How big are they? How long have you had them?
Fancy Goldfish - Both Moors. 2 fish one 3ish inches from nose to vent and the ill one is about 2"
6. Were the fish placed under quarantine period (minus the first batch from the point wherein the tank is ready to accommodate the inhabitants)?
No

7. What temperature is the tank water currently?
71 degrees Farrenheit

8. Are there live plants in the aquarium?
No

9. What filter are you using? State brand, maintenance routine and power capacity.
Penguin Biowheel 170, back filter changed once a month, never changed Biowheel. 170 GPH.

10. Any other equipment used (aside from heater and filter which are two very important components of the tank)? Ario Blue LED bubbler turned on low bubble

11. Does your aquarium receive natural sunlight at any given part of the day? What is your lighting schedule (assuming you do not rely on sunlight for our viewing pleasure)? No Sunlight, 12 hours on 12 hours off I have a Plant/Aquiarium bulb.

12. When did you perform your last water change and how much water was changed? How often do you change your water? Do you vacuum the substrate?
Yesterday morning and 20%. I change it 20% every week. I do vacuum with water changes.

13. What foods do you provide your fish? What is the feeding schedule?
Softened goldfish floating pellets and Sinking Shrimp pellets(I soak them in a cup of water from the tank) Veggies on occasion and algea tablets on occasion (Once a week) 5 pellets and one shrimp pellet broken in half 2 times a day.
14. What unusual signs have you observed in your fish? Mouth open and will not close, other fish is in perfect health. Fish seems to be eating and healthy otherwise. Inner mouth seems odd and possibly swollen?

15. Have you treated your fish ahead of diagnosis? If so, what treatments did you use? State your reasons for planning ahead of proper diagnosis.
I have only visially inpected the fish and added a little stress coat to the water.

Please help!! I really like this little guy!

Lupin 11-08-2009 06:15 PM

That is really familiar. I wonder if the issue is from myxobolus infection or swelling in the jaws that locked its mouth opening. The mouth opening is very unusual. Please check this article.
Maggie (myxobolus) | Illness and Treatment

Edit: Where are you located? I could help you locate some vets to help with that situation.

BarbedDragon 11-08-2009 06:25 PM

I'm located in North East TN. The only place I know of as far as fishy vets near here is VT in Blacksburg.

I'm scared he's in pain. Would you recommend getting a divider for him to keep his buddy from roughhousing? I don't have a cycled iso tank right now.

Lupin 11-08-2009 06:26 PM

Yes, I'd go with a divider right now. Anything to prevent him from being stressed.

BarbedDragon 11-08-2009 06:40 PM

Great thank you Lupin. I read the article, Scary scary stuff that. It is really really odd. If you can imagine its like his top lip has become disjointed and instead of folding over the outer bottom lip it has reversed and folded inside the bottom lip. Does that make any sense?

Other than that he seems like his little happy fishy self.

His gills seem awesome, no swelling. and his eyes----well....um....tough call on that one as he's a Moor, but they don't give the appearance of being different or swollen.

molliefan09 11-08-2009 06:47 PM

interesting article lupin.....i have never done such invasive work on a fish in my line of work, we have however removed several tumors from and done an eye enucleation on some of the doctors koi....very interesting procedures

BarbedDragon 11-08-2009 09:16 PM

OK I have divided them off, we'll see how it goes from here. Thankfully I'm a crafting person and I had a bunch of needlepoint plastic laying around so I cut it down and used that since the petstore was closed. I did make sure to research it before using and it looks like it's used alot for this as well as breeding.

If he exibits any other symptoms I'll let you guys know :)

Lupin 11-09-2009 02:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BarbedDragon (Post 270955)
Great thank you Lupin. I read the article, Scary scary stuff that. It is really really odd. If you can imagine its like his top lip has become disjointed and instead of folding over the outer bottom lip it has reversed and folded inside the bottom lip. Does that make any sense?

Other than that he seems like his little happy fishy self.

His gills seem awesome, no swelling. and his eyes----well....um....tough call on that one as he's a Moor, but they don't give the appearance of being different or swollen.

Regarding the first paragraph, yes, it makes sense. It can happen.

Check this site for directory of fish vets. I was hoping you could check with Dr. Helen Roberts in NY if you were anywhere near there. She is the one who makes most of the works in GAB forum for ill goldies.
Koi Fish Veterinarians

Quote:

Originally Posted by molliefan09 (Post 270960)
interesting article lupin.....i have never done such invasive work on a fish in my line of work, we have however removed several tumors from and done an eye enucleation on some of the doctors koi....very interesting procedures

Yes, it is certainly interesting. The only work I've done is tumor surgery on one of my orandas.

BarbedDragon 11-09-2009 08:51 AM

It looks like everyone on the list is pretty far off from me. I'm going to try messing with his mouth again tonight. I really don't want to handle him more than once a day him being so small I figure he'll stress pretty easily. It's possible I might be able to use some tweezers and pop his mouth back in to shape, I'm just scared to. I worked as a vet tech for about 6 years, but still....

I'll let you know how everything goes. As of right now he's swimming around active and eating.

BarbedDragon 11-09-2009 01:28 PM

Yep, I tried again to re-locate his jaw to no avail. I used some small mosquito forceps to open the sides of his mouth a little wider, but it popped right back to where it was. I wonder if he's just too swollen for it to pop back in place. I'm hoping it will heal normally maybe allow a little time for any swelling to go down, and if not as long as he's eating and active he should be OK right?

Has anyone had a problem with a disabled goldfish before?


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