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xevious 11-07-2009 08:23 PM

White Cloud breeding help
 
Hi I have recently re established my 10 gallon tank and currently have 4 white clouds (3 female), 4 Priscilla tetras (sexes unknown) and 1 feeder goldfish that i have had for 4 years.

2 of the white clouds look very ready for laying eggs (the stomach areas are huge) and I would like to know what I need to do so it will happen.

The water temp is around 75 F during the day and 70 F at night. I dont know the ph, amonia, etc levels.
I have had fish in the tank for 4 weeks since i put in fresh tap water. I assume that its still in the process of cycling, but i read that white clouds are hardy.

So: what must I do to get baby white clouds in this tank?

xevious 11-07-2009 09:01 PM

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Tank overall
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A Priscilla
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There you can see one of the bigger females

tophat665 11-13-2009 04:13 PM

First thing: Get the tetra and goldfish out of the tank. Second thing: Coarse gravel or marbles or java moss to catch the eggs. Third thing: There is no third thing. If you have both males and females, and you take moderately good care of them, they will breed. if there's nothing else in the tanks that will eat the eggs, you will have fry. White Clouds are not big fry eaters, so you'll have fry surviving. They can, I believe, take powdered flake from the outset. Also, check your temperature. White Clods are NOT tropical fish (neither is your goldfish, for that matter.) They'd prefer high 60's to low 70's. (Your tetra, a Pristella,BTW, would prefer temps over 75)

If you want to jumpstart this, then live food is the way to go: Blackworms, white worms, or grindle worms in a cone feeder are your best bet. (Mike Helleweg gave a talk at PVAS last year on cyprinids, and his generic advice on conditioning them for breeding was, "If you want their bellies to fill up with eggs, first fill them up with worms.) If you can lay hads on Daphnia, those are good to. If nothing else, set yourself up a brine shrimp hatchery and feed them baby brine shrimp. Better still is you give them a soak in HUFA supplament before feeding.

If you do get a bunch of fry, and you want them to gro out quickly, a daily water change with parameter matched (temp/ph/hardness) is really helpful. So are multiple small feedings daily.

fish999 11-16-2009 07:42 PM

I bred white clouds successfully once in a 20L. I found a water change and a change in ph (softer) by a very small amount prompted them to breed. The eggs lay in the gravel until the yolk sac is gone. Then the fry went up to the top and swam in the input flow from the filter. I fed them an infusion mix a few drops at a time in the flow, and they snatched it up.

The adults swam down below (as usual) and once in a while zoomed up to snatch one. Quite a few got eaten. Not enough floating cover or "shallow water" hiding places. A big mass of floating plants might have protected them better. I would say if you really wanna breed them, divide the adults off or transfer adults to a diff tank, or provide masses of plants for fry to hide in up top.

feeding adults frozen shrimp and live shrimp and blood worms is good too.


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